It always amazes me how those activist groups who most go on and on about tolerance and acceptance and peace and love are often the most unloving and intolerant folks around. Their rhetoric often is light-years away from their actions.
Consider some recent examples involving our homosexual activist friends. Just days after the US Presidential elections, these tolerant types have been storming churches and terrifying peaceful church-goers. This was in part because some states voted down same-sex marriage bills. One story from Michigan especially takes the cake. Here is how one writer describes it:
“This is what we’re up against. On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers. They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers. This didn’t take place in some dystopian, post modern work of fiction and it didn’t take place in San Francisco or Berkley. This was the scene at a Bible believing church in Lansing, Michigan.”
One news item puts it this way: “On Sunday, November 9, a band of about 30 homosexuals stormed a church in Lansing, Michigan. Some were well dressed and were stationed inside Mount Hope Church, where they pretended to be normal Sunday worshippers; others were outside dressed in pink and black. The group of self-described homosexual anarchists, Bash Back!, claims the evangelical church is guilty of ‘transphobia and homophobia.’ The group says that it fights for ‘liberation,’ opposes ‘all forms of state power,’ and urges members not to condemn certain methods of promoting their cause ‘on the grounds that the State deems it to be illegal’.”
Gee, this must be one really bad church to warrant such a reaction. Well, this is in fact what the church is on about: “Mount Hope, for the record, is an evangelical, bible believing church whose members provide free 24 hour counseling, prayer lines, catastrophic care for families dealing with medical emergencies, support groups for men, women and children dealing with a wide variety of life’s troubles, crisis intervention, marriage ministries, regular, organized volunteer work in and around the city, missions in dozens of countries across the globe, a construction ministry that has built over 100 churches, schools, orphanages and other projects all over the world and an in-depth prison ministry that reaches out, touches and helps the men and women the rest of society fears the most. They also teach respect for all human life and the Biblical sanctity of marriage as an institution between one man and one woman. This is what Michigan liberals label a ‘radical right wing establishment’.”
Bash Back! issued a press release on their website after the incident, and admitted that “the group was extremely loud and wildly offensive.” It called Mount Hope Church “deplorable” and “anti-queer.” The release ended with these words, “Let it be known: So long as bigots kill us in the streets, this pack of wolves will continue to BASH BACK!”
Given this atrocious act of thuggery, you would think that the world-wide media would have picked up the story and ran it extensively. But no deal. It seems the mainstream media only considers stories about ‘gay-bashing’ to be newsworthy, not stories involving homosexual storm troopers.
As Catholic League president Bill Donohue said about this media blackout, “The real story here is the refusal of the mainstream media to cover what is surely one of the most disturbing events of 2008. If an organized group of gay bashers stormed a gay church, there is not a single sentient person in the United States who wouldn’t know about it.”
Absolutely. Indeed, every single media outlet in the Western world would have covered such a story. It would be the lead story on the 6 o’clock news. It would make the front pages of the newspapers. It would feature in countless current affairs shows, debate programs and news hours.
The story would be repeated ad nauseam, ad infinitum. And we can all imagine what would be said: “See, we told you so. Those horrible Christians are intolerant, hate-filled, bigoted, ugly Nazis, and Christianity is a narrow-minded and oppressive religion. Why can’t they just learn to get along with everybody, as the peaceful homosexuals do?”
But this was not just an isolated incident. There were numerous such attacks immediately following the US elections. Charles Colson picks up the story:
“The ad ran all over California on Election Day – and surely sets a record for anti-religious bigotry. Two clean-cut young men knock at the door of a lesbian couple. The men identify themselves as Mormon missionaries. ‘We’re here to take away your rights,’ they announce. They snatch the women’s wedding rings off their fingers and ransack their home. When they find the couple’s marriage license, they rip it in half. ‘Say no to a church taking over your government,’ the voiceover says. ‘Vote “no” on Proposition 8’.”
He continues, “Despite such vicious attacks, California’s Proposition 8, which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, passed. But the assaults on churches have just begun. Two days after the election, 2,000 homosexual protesters surrounded a Mormon temple in Los Angeles chanting ‘Mormon scum.’ Protesters picketed Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church, holding signs reading ‘Purpose-Driven Hate.’ Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills was spray painted. Church members’ cars have been vandalized, and at least two Christians were assaulted. Protesters even hurled racial epithets at African-Americans because African-Americans voted overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage.”
As Colson rightly notes, “This is an outrage. What hypocrisy from those who spend all of their time preaching tolerance to the rest of us! How dare they threaten and attack political opponents? We live in a democratic country, not a banana republic ruled by thugs.”
Colson concludes, “By protecting traditional marriage, we aren’t taking away anybody’s rights. We are simply upholding the framework of society’s most basic institution, the loss of which would irreparably damage our families and our society.”
Sounds pretty sensible to me. But common sense – and common decency – is not what many of these homosexual activists are on about. They can preach tolerance all they like, but until they start showing some real tolerance, we really should dismiss their slogans as so much hot air.
26 Replies to “Watch Out For Those Tolerance Thugs”
Great stuff Bill.
Recently I was at a prayer and protest day in the city against the Victorian Labor governments abortion bill. There was a group protesting against our protest – who refused to dialogue with me…. A couple of weeks later I was attending a function at my church where I saw this same person protesting with her friends, because one of the speakers at this functino believed it was ok to smack children.
So by this tolerance logic – you can murder the babies, but you can’t discipline them….?
Nathan Clarke
Thanks Nathan
It seems that tolerance is really just one-way traffic for these guys: you must tolerate us, while we continue to attack you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Bill. With respect, there are ridiculous hate-filled and violent protesters on all sides. What do you make of the God Hates Fags group? I’d hope you’d be concerned when people generalise about Christians when they see people like the God Hates Fags people. So, while you’re more than entitled to oppose homosexuality, don’t you think it’s a little harsh throwing ALL homosexuals in the ‘intolerant’ group?
Regards,
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
But where exactly in this article do I say “all” homosexuals act this way?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
My apologies. I must have read between the lines.
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
What I did refer to here were homosexual activists, who comprise only a small percentage of all homosexuals. Most homosexuals want to do their thing quietly and peacefully. But it is the radical activist wing that I here have spoken of.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Out of interest, though, what do you make of the God Hates Fags group, while we’re talking about questionable protesting tactics.
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
I do not condone any group which employs violence or hatred of others. So this group would not be one which I would hang around with.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Yes. I think we can clearly agree that anyone should be allowed to protest against anything which irritates them. The fashion in which they do so, however, must come under scrutiny.
Murray Bentham
James 4:1ff: “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? You want something but don’t get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”
Though Gay Parades and Mardi Gras appear to be colourful and celebratory events they barely mask their lust for sexual violence of the kind we see at the Folsom Street Fair. The lies about discrimination, lack of inclusion, intolerance and homophobic bullying as an emotional blackmail to silence any dissent regarding homosexuality must surely now be exposed for what they are – Lies.
For the sake of our children we can longer turn the other cheek. War has been declared on marriage and family and but we cannot do it on our own. We will need to stand together to resist this evil, or go under.
David Skinner UK
Thanks Murray
There seems to be a rather big difference between the two groups under discussion. The group you mention seems to mainly carry posters around with messages that may well offend some. That is a far cry from militant homosexuals breaking up church services and damaging property, among other things.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I would have thought carrying posters and signs outside funerals of the deceased would offend the families involved and be generally disrespectful.
Murray Bentham
In actual fact this is old hat in the sense that violent militant homosexual behaviour by ‘rights activists’ has been witnessed before. Don’t forget the activities in San Fransisco 1993 when a riot occurred outside the Hamilton Square Baptist Church where the Traditional Values Coalition speaker, the Rev Lou Sheldon was invited to be a guest speaker.
Reminds me of the ‘Peace Riots’ the European troskyists used to organise against nuclear weapons.
All in the name of tolerance.
Doug Holland
The Gay-stapo at work. If they had their way, America could introduce the same homonazi laws as the Peoples Republics of Sweden and Canada, which have seen pastors tried, fined and even jailed for preaching the Bible about homosexual behaviour.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
Thanks Murray
I think I already said as much in my previous comment.
It is an important distinction to make between the right to exercise your legal rights and plain thuggery. I recently saw this article on the reactions to the passing of proposition 8.
I think that it is clear that there is a double standard. I personally would not buy the goods and services of businesses that provide support in opposition of my own beliefs, but I would not intimidate staff and other customers.
I would appear that the thought process is “if they can’t vote the way we say they should then they shouldn’t vote”. This would lead one to believe that the best thing to do would be to take that right away from them and allow a small number of “right” thinkers to make decisions.
Yes, David, thanks for your in-depth post. The leftist, pro-choice and homosexual activists have become so powerful and politically supported and media-connected that we have now entered a new era for Christians of open and blatant persecution. They do not use bogus emotionally charged arguments to plead their case now, or enjoin sympathetic judges or politicians to pass their doctrines into law… they are way beyond that now, openly uncompromisingly militant, knowing that there will be a blind eye turned toward their activities and speech at the highest level.
I remember in Brother Andrew’s book “God’s Smuggler”, when asked the question by a suffering Christian in Poland what persecution he and his fellow believers were suffering back in Holland, he was ashamed to admit to none. (see 2 Timothy 3:12 “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” and John 15:20 )
The day is long past us taking the fight to them, they are now openly bringing the fight to us.
Garth Penglase
To Murray Bentham,
The dispicable organization to which you have been refering is Westboro Baptist Church. Phelps’ congregation consists mostly of his own family members and a few others who buy into the lies, hate, and utter filth he preaches. If you have a very strong stomach, they have a website you can peruse. Out of curiousity, I visited the site for a few minutes one evening and there are no words to describe it………..other than I felt like I was looking straight into the realms of Satan himself and chose to leave the site before my growing nausea became uncontrolable. Without a doubt, Fred Phelps is either criminally insane or demon-possessed, perhaps even both. One of his daughters is posed to take his place as head of his organization and she may be even worse. But not all of Phelps’ family supports his delusional madness. In the irony of ironies, “fag hater” Phelps was taken to court by a son on sexual and extreme physical abuse charges. You can find more about that online as well.
M.E. Huffmaster
The reaction we are seeing of the USA homosexual militant activists to the passing of Proposition 8 in California and similar laws in other states, really demonstrates again the folly of certain Australian Christian lobby groups and churches in accepting and even promoting same-sex relationship registers as a means to give the homosexual lobby what they want in the hope that marriage can be reserved only for traditional male-female couples. Same-sex couples in the USA mostly already have some form of relationship registers, but according to them this isn’t adequate and they will not rest until they get full endorsement for their lifestyles including even the symbolic endorsement of marriage.
Ewan McDonald.
Apologies for another off-topic post…
the People’s Republic of Sweden…
On his accession in 1973, the current King of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustavus, removed the phrase “By the grace of God” from his official title.
Michael Watts
Anyone who has read this thread to this point and still thinks that the purveyors of ‘tolerance’ have a credible message worthy of support should spend the next 10 minutes watching this video. Apparently a handful of people getting together to pray and sing songs of worship is considered a highly provocative act worthy of death.
Congratulations, tolerance mau-mauers: Your shakedown of a Christian-targeted dating website worked. Homosexuals will no longer be denied the inalienable “right” to hook up with same-sex partners on eHarmony. …
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
It’s notable that the Homonazis never vandalize black churches, although the black vote was heavily in favour of not re-defining marriage to include homosexual couples. They of course never vandalize mosques or intimidate Muslim worshippers, although many Islamic countries execute homosexuals. As Burt Prelutsky said, homosexuals may not practise safe sex, but they certainly practise safe protesting, the cowards.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
Great stuff Bill.
Recently I was at a prayer and protest day in the city against the Victorian Labor governments abortion bill. There was a group protesting against our protest – who refused to dialogue with me…. A couple of weeks later I was attending a function at my church where I saw this same person protesting with her friends, because one of the speakers at this functino believed it was ok to smack children.
So by this tolerance logic – you can murder the babies, but you can’t discipline them….?
Nathan Clarke
Thanks Nathan
It seems that tolerance is really just one-way traffic for these guys: you must tolerate us, while we continue to attack you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Bill. With respect, there are ridiculous hate-filled and violent protesters on all sides. What do you make of the God Hates Fags group? I’d hope you’d be concerned when people generalise about Christians when they see people like the God Hates Fags people. So, while you’re more than entitled to oppose homosexuality, don’t you think it’s a little harsh throwing ALL homosexuals in the ‘intolerant’ group?
Regards,
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
But where exactly in this article do I say “all” homosexuals act this way?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
My apologies. I must have read between the lines.
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
What I did refer to here were homosexual activists, who comprise only a small percentage of all homosexuals. Most homosexuals want to do their thing quietly and peacefully. But it is the radical activist wing that I here have spoken of.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Out of interest, though, what do you make of the God Hates Fags group, while we’re talking about questionable protesting tactics.
Murray Bentham
Thanks Murray
I do not condone any group which employs violence or hatred of others. So this group would not be one which I would hang around with.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Yes. I think we can clearly agree that anyone should be allowed to protest against anything which irritates them. The fashion in which they do so, however, must come under scrutiny.
Murray Bentham
James 4:1ff: “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? You want something but don’t get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”
Though Gay Parades and Mardi Gras appear to be colourful and celebratory events they barely mask their lust for sexual violence of the kind we see at the Folsom Street Fair. The lies about discrimination, lack of inclusion, intolerance and homophobic bullying as an emotional blackmail to silence any dissent regarding homosexuality must surely now be exposed for what they are – Lies.
Let us start with the pink holocaust:
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet4.html (violence and homosexuality).
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders)
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html (gang rape in Netherlands)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html (Rape in Sydney)
http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/ (Worlds worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual, the worst being Gilles de Rais)
Are we meant to ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them – especially towards Christians?
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children)
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/lady_young.htm ((Baroness young)
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/jpc.htm (Church vandalised)
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/western_isles.htm (death threats).
http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2008/11/12/gay-rights-activists-harass-old-lady/ (old lady harassed by homosexuals)
In Britain with the blessing of the government Stonewall are about to launch a massive programme in schools promoting homosexuality under the guise of equal opportunities and the ending of homophobic bullying:
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20081111/school-play-tells-11s-be-proud-to-be-gay/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3068490/Sir-Ian-McKellen-takes-gay-tolerance-message-to-schools.html
For the sake of our children we can longer turn the other cheek. War has been declared on marriage and family and but we cannot do it on our own. We will need to stand together to resist this evil, or go under.
David Skinner UK
Thanks Murray
There seems to be a rather big difference between the two groups under discussion. The group you mention seems to mainly carry posters around with messages that may well offend some. That is a far cry from militant homosexuals breaking up church services and damaging property, among other things.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I would have thought carrying posters and signs outside funerals of the deceased would offend the families involved and be generally disrespectful.
Murray Bentham
In actual fact this is old hat in the sense that violent militant homosexual behaviour by ‘rights activists’ has been witnessed before. Don’t forget the activities in San Fransisco 1993 when a riot occurred outside the Hamilton Square Baptist Church where the Traditional Values Coalition speaker, the Rev Lou Sheldon was invited to be a guest speaker.
http://www.hamiltonsquare.net/articlesRiotsSep1993.htm
Reminds me of the ‘Peace Riots’ the European troskyists used to organise against nuclear weapons.
All in the name of tolerance.
Doug Holland
The Gay-stapo at work. If they had their way, America could introduce the same homonazi laws as the Peoples Republics of Sweden and Canada, which have seen pastors tried, fined and even jailed for preaching the Bible about homosexual behaviour.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
Thanks Murray
I think I already said as much in my previous comment.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
More homonazi bullying: Radical Homosexuals Trample a Cross, Harass a Granny, Crash a Church, and Threaten Joe the Plumber’s Life by Doug Giles.
Some fighting back by ex-gays against the politically correct psychological agenda resulting from appeasing the gay-stapo.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
It is an important distinction to make between the right to exercise your legal rights and plain thuggery. I recently saw this article on the reactions to the passing of proposition 8.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-boycott14-2008nov14,0,4880904.story
I think that it is clear that there is a double standard. I personally would not buy the goods and services of businesses that provide support in opposition of my own beliefs, but I would not intimidate staff and other customers.
I would appear that the thought process is “if they can’t vote the way we say they should then they shouldn’t vote”. This would lead one to believe that the best thing to do would be to take that right away from them and allow a small number of “right” thinkers to make decisions.
Richard Blake
Thanks Richard
Yes it seems the thuggery is increasing. A friend recently sent this link to a short Bill O’Reilly video about all this: http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3192988&referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referrer=staf
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Yes, David, thanks for your in-depth post. The leftist, pro-choice and homosexual activists have become so powerful and politically supported and media-connected that we have now entered a new era for Christians of open and blatant persecution. They do not use bogus emotionally charged arguments to plead their case now, or enjoin sympathetic judges or politicians to pass their doctrines into law… they are way beyond that now, openly uncompromisingly militant, knowing that there will be a blind eye turned toward their activities and speech at the highest level.
I remember in Brother Andrew’s book “God’s Smuggler”, when asked the question by a suffering Christian in Poland what persecution he and his fellow believers were suffering back in Holland, he was ashamed to admit to none. (see 2 Timothy 3:12 “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” and John 15:20 )
The day is long past us taking the fight to them, they are now openly bringing the fight to us.
Garth Penglase
To Murray Bentham,
The dispicable organization to which you have been refering is Westboro Baptist Church. Phelps’ congregation consists mostly of his own family members and a few others who buy into the lies, hate, and utter filth he preaches. If you have a very strong stomach, they have a website you can peruse. Out of curiousity, I visited the site for a few minutes one evening and there are no words to describe it………..other than I felt like I was looking straight into the realms of Satan himself and chose to leave the site before my growing nausea became uncontrolable. Without a doubt, Fred Phelps is either criminally insane or demon-possessed, perhaps even both. One of his daughters is posed to take his place as head of his organization and she may be even worse. But not all of Phelps’ family supports his delusional madness. In the irony of ironies, “fag hater” Phelps was taken to court by a son on sexual and extreme physical abuse charges. You can find more about that online as well.
M.E. Huffmaster
The reaction we are seeing of the USA homosexual militant activists to the passing of Proposition 8 in California and similar laws in other states, really demonstrates again the folly of certain Australian Christian lobby groups and churches in accepting and even promoting same-sex relationship registers as a means to give the homosexual lobby what they want in the hope that marriage can be reserved only for traditional male-female couples. Same-sex couples in the USA mostly already have some form of relationship registers, but according to them this isn’t adequate and they will not rest until they get full endorsement for their lifestyles including even the symbolic endorsement of marriage.
Ewan McDonald.
Apologies for another off-topic post…
On his accession in 1973, the current King of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustavus, removed the phrase “By the grace of God” from his official title.
Michael Watts
Anyone who has read this thread to this point and still thinks that the purveyors of ‘tolerance’ have a credible message worthy of support should spend the next 10 minutes watching this video. Apparently a handful of people getting together to pray and sing songs of worship is considered a highly provocative act worthy of death.
This link provides a rundown of the events:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsxojbyAQGI
…and this link is the raw footage of the Christians (an excerpt of which is in the first video) having to be escorted away by riot police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRxFoBSPng
Language warning, viewer discretion is advised.
Mark Rabich
Responding also to this issue is Michael Brown with an article entitled Is There a “Civil Right” to Gay “Marriage”?
Ewan McDonald
Yet another example of the Gay-stapo in action: The eHarmony Shakedown by Michelle Malkin:
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane
It’s notable that the Homonazis never vandalize black churches, although the black vote was heavily in favour of not re-defining marriage to include homosexual couples. They of course never vandalize mosques or intimidate Muslim worshippers, although many Islamic countries execute homosexuals. As Burt Prelutsky said, homosexuals may not practise safe sex, but they certainly practise safe protesting, the cowards.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane