The Federal Labor Party has just announced what we all knew it would do: it has blocked a move for a national plebiscite on marriage. It does not want the people of Australia to have a say on one of the most important issues this nation has ever debated. It believes ordinary Australians should have no voice in something that will hugely impact every single one of them.
Here is how one news item opens on this:
Labor has voted to block the same-sex marriage plebiscite in Canberra as Victorian Nationals MP Andrew Broad threatened to walk from the Coalition if they tried to bring about a vote on the issue by any means other than a plebiscite. Labor caucus members shot down the proposal after meeting at Parliament House this morning following Opposition Leader Bill Shorten warning the plebiscite would inflame tensions and put gay Australians at risk. This means the bill is almost certainly doomed to fail in the Senate with the Greens and key crossbenchers previously stating their opposition to the plebiscite. It happened shortly after Nationals MP Andrew Broad announced he would withdraw his support from the Government if it didn’t use a plebiscite to bring about changes to the Marriage Act. “The Government that I am part of, and will remain a part of, is conditional on the fact that the only way that there will be a change to the Marriage Act in this Parliament is a plebiscite and my position as a member of the government is very clear on that,” Mr Broad told media this morning. “My support for the Government is conditional that we honour our election commitments. I’m making it very clear here.”
The great irony here is the fact that Labor has said a recent poll of Australians has found most do not prefer a plebiscite. Um, let me get this straight: Labor is quite happy to let the people speak – and abide by the will of the people – when it comes to having a plebiscite in the first place, but it does not want to let the people speak – and abide by the will of the people – when it comes to an actual plebiscite on this issue. Hypocrisy much?
As I just told one journalist, the completely obvious reason why Bill Shorten and Labor do not want to let the people decide this very important matter is because they know they will lose the vote. They are so afraid of and contemptuous of the Australian people, that they want to silence them and prevent them from having their say on this.
This is how democracy works? This is the way we treat freedom of speech? Labor has proven it is an enemy of democracy and free speech. It wants to force every single one of us to embrace and support the radical agenda of a tiny minority group.
This is not freedom but fascism. This is not democracy but despotism. And this is how the Labor Party operates: forget the people, we know better than they do, and we will decide what is ‘good’ for the nation. Shame on them.
And the hypocrisy of Labor goes even beyond this. As Lyle Shelton of the Australian Christian Lobby pointed out:
During the 2013 election campaign Mr Shorten told an ACL candidates’ forum that he supported a plebiscite. Despite constantly claiming overwhelming public support for redefining marriage, it is perplexing that advocates are not willing to trust the Australian people with a decision that has enormous consequences for all families. Such a big change with such big consequences for what children are taught at school, the rights of children to know their mother and father and for freedom of speech should be taken to the people.
Yes everyone will be impacted if homosexual marriage goes ahead, as I have documented so often. See here for example: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2016/09/30/yes-homosexual-marriage-impacts-every-single-one-us/
This is just another shocking example of secular left political parties spitting in the face of the people as they tell us we cannot be trusted to decide for ourselves what is actually best for us. Our political overlords alone must decide for the people.
This is the stuff we have read about in dystopian novels such as 1984 and Brave New World. Now, thanks to the Labor Party, we are not just reading fictional accounts, but we are now actually experiencing these very things.
The sheer hypocrisy of this makes me feel literally quite ill.
If these people don’t repent of their life choices and actions they are surely doomed to their chosen fate.
They can live with that, because to hold these beliefs, they had to both extinguish their conscience and cling to the belief there is no God.
My dad who died in 2008 would be totally horrified at how far left the Labor party has become!
Labour, like homosexuality and the HIV virus work on the platform of deception.
The HIV virus sets out to convince our immune system that it is harmless and has nothing to worry about;
Labour tries to convince us that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and most of us support it and then when the test comes about there is a back-flip citing that it is bad for most of us – what happened to MAJORITY ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY AND NOW ARGUE THAT THE MINORITY WILL SUFFER HARM AND DISCRIMINATION?
The LGBTIQ homosexual lobby use “gay” (a woman’s name) to describe what all previous generations find abhorrent – homosexuality.
By the way, have any of you considered that whenever we discuss the pros and cons of homosexuality we put God on trial?
What happened to “You will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven”?
John Abbott
Hi Bill, thank God for people like Andrew Broad, the guy is a Christian and no ” shrinking violet”. The carnage that SSM would bring would make the odd sad homosexual thinking of taking his or her life seem pretty small fry compared to the children who will and are suffering at the hands of the homofacists. Our teachers, doctors, nurses, paramedics, police and social services etc are already reaping the harvest of family and social destruction.
Thanks Bill you are an amazing watchmen of our times and almighty encouragement to me.
Regards and prayer, Peter Schirmer.
Many thanks indeed Peter.
The time will come, or may have already arrived, when we realize that God has taken His hand of protection off Australia – once called “the great south land of the Holy Spirit”, but now hijacked by a secular ideology. The same goes for America. Throughout history, we have seen that God eventually gives the people what they so foolishly demand. Certainly there have been occasions when He has intervened in response to our earnest prayers, for “He is not willing that any should perish”. However there comes a time when evil can no longer go unpunished, and sadly, the innocent usually suffer with the guilty. And despite our prayers, I believe that time may be near.
We are clearly already under judgment. Pray for an outpouring of repentance in this country.
Even more ironic is he said the plebiscite was a glorified opinion poll which he wouldn’t support because implicitly he believes the repeated opinion polls in newspapers. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black! As a politician he should know the only poll that counts is the one on polling day! Both major parties in Australia are so poll driven they should have a poll to ask if we the electorate would allow them to go to the bathroom or not!
Wouldn’t you like to see thousands of people descend upon Canberra in protest? And would they still ignore us, as did the French government despite a demonstration by 1.4 million people? We have wonderful organisations all doing what they can to inform us and motivate and guide us into action. My wife and I support a number of them, as I’m sure many of your readers do, Bill, and, like them, we write letters and sometimes phone politicians. We also have new organisations seeking to provide an umbrella function – like the Marriage Alliance/Coalition and Cory Bernardi’s Conservative Network. At the March for the babies on Saturday we were encouraged to join “Move to Change” – a pro-life political movement. Our opponents are cashed up by the George Soros’s and others of this world and have comprehensive strategies in place which are continuing to capture institutions and are quietly changing things without any public demand or legal grounds – a lady in my town was shocked when only recently she was asked to fill out a medical form and to indicate whether she was MALE, FEMALE, OTHER, or RATHER NOT SAY, apparently in accordance with the guidelines provided at this site http://www.glhv.org.au/files/CreatingGLBTQIAForms.pdf.
In Massachusetts they have “Mass Resistance,” after the fact. Would it be possible do you think for all of the Christian Ethics and Action organisations to co-operate in prayerfully formulating a comprehensive resistance movement, before the fact in this country.
Perhaps I should have waited a couple of days and cooled down before writing this but this is how I am feeling right now.
God bless you Bill for all that you are doing.
Are Labor, the Greens , Xenophoners, Hinchers, etc, just hoping that soon the traditionalist MPs will tire of the squabbling and cave in to a parliamentary vote?
Sovereign God, thank you for ALL your faithful labourers of the harvest.
Thank you for your Wisdom demonstrated through Bill Muelenberg’s daily blog on matters of the soul, heart + mind in our fallen world.
We ask most humbly for your forgiveness for all our wrongs, we are all miserable sinners.
However, we know we are made righteous through your blessed Son, Our Lord + Saviour Jesus Christ.
Guide our Christians Leaders here in Australia, May they continue to uphold Your Truth on Marriage + our Families.
Holy Spirit, Heal Our Land.
In Jesus Mighty Name We Pray,
Amen.
Labor says we can’t have a debate about the matter because it might upset the homosexuals but they clearly could not care less about the millions of others upset about something they hold to be holy, being trampled on as well as people being forced out of their jobs and businesses over this and people losing their fundamental rights. If homosexuals want respect for their relationships then let them come up with their own term instead of trying to build their temple on the holy ground of marriage.
Bill, you say: “the obvious reason why Bill Shorten and Labor do not want to let the people decide this very important matter is because they know they will lose the vote” but while this is a reason I don’t think this is the main reason and I don’t think this is how they see it. I think the main reason is that if a competent information campaign was allowed the complete pile of misinformation the Labor and Greens parties and SBS and ABC have been pushing for so long would be revealed, exactly, for what it is. No. The main reason they can’t have a plebiscite is the same reason the ABC pretends the opposing argument does not exist and that is, if people see the truth, the whole scenario falls like a house of cards. The only way they can win the debate is by not having the debate and when the truth is eventually revealed, it is going to look extremely bad for Labor, the Greens and the public broadcasters who of course, need a huge shake up to force them to obey the law and I think Labor knows this. They have been pushed into a political corner from which they see no choice but to fight their way out irrespective of the truth of the matter or the damage it will cause. Special interests have a much higher priority to them than any discussion regarding the truth.
The fact is homosexual relationships cannot possibly, in any real sense, ever be equal to marriage and if the “debate” such as it is, goes on for another three years or more as it inevitably will, then it is, fairly obviously, not going to make homosexuals feel any better than if the whole matter was resolved in a matter of months, so their excuse is another blatant lie.
Shorten is simply playing politics. He couldn’t care less about gays. He wants to cause a split in the Liberal party.
Cardinal Burke (USA) stated the following: “acceptance of contraception has led to people justifying all kinds of sexual activity as supposedly an expression of love”. He continued, “genital activity between two persons of the same sex is an example of where the road leads if sex is emptied of its procreative potential. They do not have sex together (biologically impossible); no, they engage in “genital activity”, which is really mutual masturbation more than anything else since the organs are frustrated in achieving the purpose for which they were designed (creation of a new life) in lacking complementarity”.
Therefore marriage between a man and a woman does not discriminate against people of same sex who push for marriage equality. It is now time for prayer and ACTION.
Socialism has long track record of abusing power and manipulative mind control. In this case the Labour and Greens will bleat that same sex marriage is all about luuuuuuve; but one only has to attend any gay pride parade and see with one’s own eyes, the sex workers, pornographers, sadomasochists, bestialists, strutting, cavorting and lewdly gesticulating to understand that such manifestations of lurve have nothing to do with love or relationship but everything to do with every possible sexual perversion under the sun [1]. Worst of all is to see our politicians, police and armed forces, including a look alike of the Queen marching arm in arm with this tide of filth and depravity [2]. London has become a cesspit of depravity since same sex marriage was past in 2013.
The vast majority of Australians would not want to go anywhere near Sydney gay pride parade, but believe me it will be coming, whether they like it not, to their children in the form sex education and with the eventual aim of getting their children to participate in such fascist rallies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPPceVfG8io
There is a similar disdain for democracy by the Left here in the UK, as shown by the current push by Milliband, the previous leader of the Labour Party. He is now leading a campaign to insist that, despite the result from the Referendum which had the biggest turn out of voters for many years, any decisions on leaving the EU should remain the responsibility of the Parliament.
To paraphrase their position: “We disagree with what the people want, and we will do whatever we can to ignore that and do we want instead.”
I suspect that the Left in Australia (and elsewhere) have seen the result of what happens when the people get a vote, and are now adjusting their strategies to ensure such similar ‘mistakes’ (such as a Plebiscite in Australia) are not made again!
Thanks David,
Of course our publicly funded ABC won’t go anywhere near these critical facts. They dishonestly promote the gay lifestyle as wonderful. Meanwhile older Australians have to wait longer and longer for non urgent surgery.
Utterly disgraceful while precious health dollars are funnelled to irresponsible gays who infect each other thru their perversion,
Regards phil
We should stop calling them gay, there is nothing ‘gay’ about their lifestyle. There is also nothing ‘normal’ about homosexual sex as much as they want us to ‘accept’ their depravity as normal, there is nothing normal about it. Normal sex is such that under the right circumstances a new life can be formed. Granted that not every time heterosexual couples have intercourse a pregnancy results, however there is the possibility, therefore it is termed ‘normal’. This is the primary purpose of sex. This is the yard stick by which sexual activity should be measured. As such then is it possible that same sex couples sexual activity can ever result in a pregnancy?
They (homosexual’s) have been emboldened by the support our government has afforded them and also the support by media and so called celebrities. Not once have we heard or witnessed any concern from relevant government departments (Children’s agencies etc) about the effects SSM will have on the most vulnerable in society, our children. No doubt they are fearful of doing so as this may bring them under the wrath of the pink brigade.
Yes scripture foretold has come to pass, “they will call good evil and evil good”.
Let us continue to pray despite what comes and hold fast to the promises of God.
Bill Shorten, or some other Labour MP has said the Australian people should leave Parliament, the elected members, to vote on same sex marriage. MPs were voted in by the people and the people should now trust them to administer the democratic process. But when we vote for governments we do not give them a blank cheque to redefine the very foundations and presuppositions upon which a western governments are founded. For instance we do not vote them in to suddenly bring in Shariah law and turn our nations into Islamic states. Which is fact is already happening in Britain.
The Labour and Greens are being disingenuous when they argue that ssm legislation is no different to any other piece of legislation. They argue that since there has not been a plebiscite for all the hundreds of other bits of legislation, then there should not be one for ssm. But such day to day, bits of legislation, such as whether there should be daylight saving, for example, did not debate whether the night is the day or the day is the night or even whether there is no difference between the two.
What same sex marriage challenges is way more than not allowing same sex partnerships (of any number of players) to settle down and become like the rest of the population. Gays do not want to assimilate and thereby lose their distinct identity. What they want is for society to become as equally corrupt and depraved as they are. They do not want equality. They want dominance.
The restraints and nets filtering lust , ambition, pride and narcissism, the borders and boundaries protecting marriage, family and children are to be smashed and demolished by the gay fascists. This is total war. Take it from the horse’s mouth;
Already in London Pedestrian crossing lights have been replaced by LGBT ones. Our traffic and pedestrian signs and symbols will cease to be about road safety and procedure but all to do with sexualising and breaking down in the minds of pedestrians, an ordered world of left and right, up and down, male and female. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706789/Gay-traffic-lights-leave-pedestrians-confused-Trafalgar-Square
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”
It is a philosophy that completely destroys the very foundations upon which Western democracy was established . This is taking the Australians back to ground zero, where nothing is taken for granted or assumed. Every detail of reality is now going to be defined . It will not stop at same sex marriage. It will mean the redefinition of men and women, children, virtue, morality, what it means to be human and of course the meaning truth itself. It will mean the end to a binary world of antithesis. in politics it will mean the end of Labour and Conservative- an end to opposition parties – the totalitarian state.
Peter Jones of TruthXchange speaks a great deal about onesism and twoism.
David Skinner
Cardinal Burke (USA) stated the following: “acceptance of contraception has led to people justifying all kinds of sexual activity as supposedly an expression of love”. He continued, “genital activity between two persons of the same sex is an example of where the road leads if sex is emptied of its procreative potential.
With due respect to those who lay part of the blame of on the availability of contraception; homosexuality, bestiality and adultery have been practiced for millennia before contraception (physical and medical) were readily available. Besides, many of those opposing contraception still allow the “rhythm” method, which is also intended to preclude/prevent conception of an offspring (“emptied of its procreative potential”). Furthermore, what need do homosexuals have for contraception?
Thanks Madge and Peter. This article is of course not really on the issue of contraception as such. But for what it is worth (without wishing to get into a big debate about this here), I did a piece on it some time ago for those who are interested:
May I say that though homosexuality cannot be blamed for the rise in the use of contraception, there is certainly a link between homosexuality and abortion which for many young women has become a form of contraception. The legalization of both homosexuality and abortion came about at the same time, in 1967 thereabouts. Homosexuals are not interested in having children, even more than they are interested in marriage. The percentage of gays who actually have dependent children through IVF, surrogacy or adoption is tiny . In the UK it is 1% of the gay population or 0.016% of the entire UK population. It serves the homosexuals to be pro -abortion, even though they have no need of it themselves. because they know that abortion destroys the conscience and parental instincts of the heterosexuals. It takes away their moral high ground. Gays know the devastating effect that abortion has on the spiritual life of those who practice it, and this suits them fine.
Moreover “freeing” the heterosexuals from the notion that sex is inextricably linked with producing children,, ie., breaking the connection between penis and vagina, means that both sexual organs are liberated, making them available to homosexuals waiting for them to land whenever they finish flying about here and there and fancy something a bit more exotic . Moreover it makes the pool of available partners much larger the uniformly gay “community” which is only about 1% of the population For now gays are in a position to seduce and steal someone else’s husband or wife. They can have it all and stolen fruit always tastes better.
Praise God the Marriage Act remains (for the time being).
Regardless of Laws i pray Australians will still honour Holy Matrimony and thank God for his provision. I pray the nation will see that God’s design and order through the Marriage Covenant is the best there is. I pray that scales are lifted off, minds and hearts are renewed and God is honoured once again.
Madge… I totally get your points about the sex acts, Prayer and Action..
Thanks David Skinner. We were in Trafalgar Square a few weeks ago and were perplexed by the traffic walk signs. Seems it is as we suspected at the time. More money which could have gone to the (left’s favourite) priorities of health and education. Hypocrites not!
David Williams, the Express has a very good article on the Pederastian crossing lights ( as someone aptly called them)[1]. What is also good are the many comments, made – most likely by non Christians – under the influence of a God given common sense. For instance one commentator, Mac O Rony, wrote,
“The legal design of crossing signs can be found in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 14, part 2, Diagrams 4002.1 – 4003.1A
Fun though these new signs might be, they do not appear to conform to legal requirements.
For details, Google The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 14”
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if it could be found that Transport for London and the new Muslim Mayor of London, Sadiq Kahn, had over reached themselves and made to be personally responsible for breaking the law?
there is certainly a link between homosexuality and abortion
Exactly; gay activists testify by their actions that no-one is born ‘gay’. Were there any possibility that an unborn baby could be ‘gay’, it would not be legal to rip off its arms and legs without anaesthetic while it is still alive, as happens in dilation and evacuation (D&E) abortion.
When Tasmanian ‘gay’ activists marched into the Hobart police station in the 1990s, with the media in tow, they were happy to risk 21 years in prison for “sexual inter. But they will not risk just one year in prison, under Tasmania’s Repoductive Health (Access to Terminations) Act 2013, to try to save the lives of babies whom they claim are born gay!
Leftism, A powerful Religion destroying Australia Families and Culture by stealth:
Should we not use the method of divide and conquer. Perhaps the way through is not straight ahead but by a few detours. Of late, whenever facebook and others allow me to say something I point out that it is not logical for homosexuals to want access to heteroseuxal marriage which was created for heterosexuals because they are not heterosexual.
Heterosexual marriage only makes sense if you are heterosexual and homosexuals who want access to it will make a complete mess of it because the required parameters for its success is not there.
Far better that they invent their own style of homosexual marriage that will satisfy their own qualities or lack of them and prevent them from demanding something else that belongs to heterosexuality when they discover marriage whatever version it is did not make them happy.
Because of their emotional dysfunction, they have this tendency to blame everyone else for their troubles rather than face the fact that the problem is them.
Greetings Minister Bill, it was Abraham, that interceded for the City not to be destroyed for the sake of the righteous.
Genesis 18: 16-33 Judgment Pronounced on Sodom
16 Then the men set out from there, and they looked toward Sodom; and Abraham went with them to set them on their way. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 seeing that Abraham shall become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 No, for I have chosen him, that he may charge his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice; so that the Lord may bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.” 20 Then the Lord said, “How great is the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah and how very grave their sin! 21 I must go down and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry that has come to me; and if not, I will know.”
22 So the men turned from there, and went toward Sodom, while Abraham remained standing before the Lord. 23 Then Abraham came near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will you then sweep away the place and not forgive it for the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” 26 And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will forgive the whole place for their sake.” 27 Abraham answered, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28 Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 Again he spoke to him, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” 30 Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” 31 He said, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” 32 Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak just once more. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” 33 And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.
A brilliant argument, Roger. You’ve summed up the whole ‘debate’ in a nutshell. It’s so simple when you put it that way – although I suppose we can still expect homosexuals and all the other members of the LGBTIABCXYZ (or whatever) brigade to come up with some objection.
Firstly, greetings Minister Bill, I do pray that you are well Sir. I pray that the kingdom of God grows more and more within you Bill. May God protect you and your family from the enemy, whether physical or spiritual attacks. I pray that God’s angels are each side of you. To the North and the South, to the East and the West. Where ever you go, where ever you go, that his angels would be beside you. I feel as Sodom and Gomorrah, that righteous Lot and his daughters were the only ones to survive the judgement of God. God’s Lictor’s were sent to punish the wicked, as the cry against these cities became so great. But it was through Abraham’s intercession, Abrahams prayer, that God listened! One must believe, that God is a rewarder. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that ” he had pleased God.” 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would approach him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. It is important that we continue on the journey with God, and continually please him. This is the all in all of our lives. This is the newness of our lives in the Lord Jesus Christ.
My reactions to this.
I wonder what my late father would think of what the ALP has become.
Shorten shouts down anyone who does not agree with him on SSM. He resorts to name calling. For instance, the way he treats one conservative Senator, reminded me of what I used to see in the schoolyard.
Then, there is how the mainstream media is treating this issue. It does not even acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons for opposing changing marriage laws.
The reports the other night. Shorten speaks in yet another one of the grabs he’s known for, announcing that the plebiscite won’t go ahead. He’s flanked by members of the public, sympathetic to his position. My reaction?
(Sarcastically, I mutter at the TV)
“Shorten, you’re such a hero.”
That settles it. I’m never voting Labor again.
The sheer hypocrisy of this makes me feel literally quite ill.
If these people don’t repent of their life choices and actions they are surely doomed to their chosen fate.
They can live with that, because to hold these beliefs, they had to both extinguish their conscience and cling to the belief there is no God.
My dad who died in 2008 would be totally horrified at how far left the Labor party has become!
Labour, like homosexuality and the HIV virus work on the platform of deception.
The HIV virus sets out to convince our immune system that it is harmless and has nothing to worry about;
Labour tries to convince us that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and most of us support it and then when the test comes about there is a back-flip citing that it is bad for most of us – what happened to MAJORITY ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY AND NOW ARGUE THAT THE MINORITY WILL SUFFER HARM AND DISCRIMINATION?
The LGBTIQ homosexual lobby use “gay” (a woman’s name) to describe what all previous generations find abhorrent – homosexuality.
By the way, have any of you considered that whenever we discuss the pros and cons of homosexuality we put God on trial?
What happened to “You will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven”?
John Abbott
Hi Bill, thank God for people like Andrew Broad, the guy is a Christian and no ” shrinking violet”. The carnage that SSM would bring would make the odd sad homosexual thinking of taking his or her life seem pretty small fry compared to the children who will and are suffering at the hands of the homofacists. Our teachers, doctors, nurses, paramedics, police and social services etc are already reaping the harvest of family and social destruction.
Thanks Bill you are an amazing watchmen of our times and almighty encouragement to me.
Regards and prayer, Peter Schirmer.
Many thanks indeed Peter.
The time will come, or may have already arrived, when we realize that God has taken His hand of protection off Australia – once called “the great south land of the Holy Spirit”, but now hijacked by a secular ideology. The same goes for America. Throughout history, we have seen that God eventually gives the people what they so foolishly demand. Certainly there have been occasions when He has intervened in response to our earnest prayers, for “He is not willing that any should perish”. However there comes a time when evil can no longer go unpunished, and sadly, the innocent usually suffer with the guilty. And despite our prayers, I believe that time may be near.
We are clearly already under judgment. Pray for an outpouring of repentance in this country.
Even more ironic is he said the plebiscite was a glorified opinion poll which he wouldn’t support because implicitly he believes the repeated opinion polls in newspapers. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black! As a politician he should know the only poll that counts is the one on polling day! Both major parties in Australia are so poll driven they should have a poll to ask if we the electorate would allow them to go to the bathroom or not!
Wouldn’t you like to see thousands of people descend upon Canberra in protest? And would they still ignore us, as did the French government despite a demonstration by 1.4 million people? We have wonderful organisations all doing what they can to inform us and motivate and guide us into action. My wife and I support a number of them, as I’m sure many of your readers do, Bill, and, like them, we write letters and sometimes phone politicians. We also have new organisations seeking to provide an umbrella function – like the Marriage Alliance/Coalition and Cory Bernardi’s Conservative Network. At the March for the babies on Saturday we were encouraged to join “Move to Change” – a pro-life political movement. Our opponents are cashed up by the George Soros’s and others of this world and have comprehensive strategies in place which are continuing to capture institutions and are quietly changing things without any public demand or legal grounds – a lady in my town was shocked when only recently she was asked to fill out a medical form and to indicate whether she was MALE, FEMALE, OTHER, or RATHER NOT SAY, apparently in accordance with the guidelines provided at this site http://www.glhv.org.au/files/CreatingGLBTQIAForms.pdf.
In Massachusetts they have “Mass Resistance,” after the fact. Would it be possible do you think for all of the Christian Ethics and Action organisations to co-operate in prayerfully formulating a comprehensive resistance movement, before the fact in this country.
Perhaps I should have waited a couple of days and cooled down before writing this but this is how I am feeling right now.
God bless you Bill for all that you are doing.
Are Labor, the Greens , Xenophoners, Hinchers, etc, just hoping that soon the traditionalist MPs will tire of the squabbling and cave in to a parliamentary vote?
Sovereign God, thank you for ALL your faithful labourers of the harvest.
Thank you for your Wisdom demonstrated through Bill Muelenberg’s daily blog on matters of the soul, heart + mind in our fallen world.
We ask most humbly for your forgiveness for all our wrongs, we are all miserable sinners.
However, we know we are made righteous through your blessed Son, Our Lord + Saviour Jesus Christ.
Guide our Christians Leaders here in Australia, May they continue to uphold Your Truth on Marriage + our Families.
Holy Spirit, Heal Our Land.
In Jesus Mighty Name We Pray,
Amen.
Labor says we can’t have a debate about the matter because it might upset the homosexuals but they clearly could not care less about the millions of others upset about something they hold to be holy, being trampled on as well as people being forced out of their jobs and businesses over this and people losing their fundamental rights. If homosexuals want respect for their relationships then let them come up with their own term instead of trying to build their temple on the holy ground of marriage.
Bill, you say: “the obvious reason why Bill Shorten and Labor do not want to let the people decide this very important matter is because they know they will lose the vote” but while this is a reason I don’t think this is the main reason and I don’t think this is how they see it. I think the main reason is that if a competent information campaign was allowed the complete pile of misinformation the Labor and Greens parties and SBS and ABC have been pushing for so long would be revealed, exactly, for what it is. No. The main reason they can’t have a plebiscite is the same reason the ABC pretends the opposing argument does not exist and that is, if people see the truth, the whole scenario falls like a house of cards. The only way they can win the debate is by not having the debate and when the truth is eventually revealed, it is going to look extremely bad for Labor, the Greens and the public broadcasters who of course, need a huge shake up to force them to obey the law and I think Labor knows this. They have been pushed into a political corner from which they see no choice but to fight their way out irrespective of the truth of the matter or the damage it will cause. Special interests have a much higher priority to them than any discussion regarding the truth.
The fact is homosexual relationships cannot possibly, in any real sense, ever be equal to marriage and if the “debate” such as it is, goes on for another three years or more as it inevitably will, then it is, fairly obviously, not going to make homosexuals feel any better than if the whole matter was resolved in a matter of months, so their excuse is another blatant lie.
Shorten is simply playing politics. He couldn’t care less about gays. He wants to cause a split in the Liberal party.
Cardinal Burke (USA) stated the following: “acceptance of contraception has led to people justifying all kinds of sexual activity as supposedly an expression of love”. He continued, “genital activity between two persons of the same sex is an example of where the road leads if sex is emptied of its procreative potential. They do not have sex together (biologically impossible); no, they engage in “genital activity”, which is really mutual masturbation more than anything else since the organs are frustrated in achieving the purpose for which they were designed (creation of a new life) in lacking complementarity”.
Therefore marriage between a man and a woman does not discriminate against people of same sex who push for marriage equality. It is now time for prayer and ACTION.
Socialism has long track record of abusing power and manipulative mind control. In this case the Labour and Greens will bleat that same sex marriage is all about luuuuuuve; but one only has to attend any gay pride parade and see with one’s own eyes, the sex workers, pornographers, sadomasochists, bestialists, strutting, cavorting and lewdly gesticulating to understand that such manifestations of lurve have nothing to do with love or relationship but everything to do with every possible sexual perversion under the sun [1]. Worst of all is to see our politicians, police and armed forces, including a look alike of the Queen marching arm in arm with this tide of filth and depravity [2]. London has become a cesspit of depravity since same sex marriage was past in 2013.
The vast majority of Australians would not want to go anywhere near Sydney gay pride parade, but believe me it will be coming, whether they like it not, to their children in the form sex education and with the eventual aim of getting their children to participate in such fascist rallies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPPceVfG8io
[1]WARNING ALL THE SCENES BELOW MUST NOT BE SEEN BY CHILDREN BUT CHILDREN ARE TAKEN TO VIEW SUCH SCENES IN GAY PRIDE EVENTS
i) World Pride London 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqaq7VpMkU
ii) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nACvVlJMgts
iii) Depraved speech. I just wanna dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyj1qhj4WPY
iv) Soho Pride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=DemJI-Ewgl8&feature=related%20SOHO%20PRIDE
v) California. Dore Alley and Folsom Street Fair.
a) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JroP1HSN2IM
b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gThvAOD6tkQ
c) http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php
d) http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_blurred/index.php
vi) Berlin Leather and fetish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eXRpaUbI0M
[2] Politicians, the military and “royalty” marching in parades
i)
(note Sarah Brown, the ex Prime Minister, Gordon Browns’s wife marching at 1minute 25 seconds)
ii) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fpUeNVcUCM
David Skinner UK
Socialism believes in sharing the wealth, yes in the productive section of society, those who actually produce and raise the next generation, to fund out of their hard earned wages, the reckless and dangerous life style of the gays. Society is expected to bail out and mop up the genito- urinary diseases inextricably linked with the sexual habits of the gays.
Recent reports reveal that gay men continue to punch way above their weight in contracting HIV and sexually transmitted diseases, especially in London. This is due to the fact that they achieve a heightened sexual experience when in engaged in risky and unprotected sex [1]. The NHS are being bullied into supplying Prep (pre-exposure prophylaxis, a daily pill designed to lower a sexually active gay person’s chances of catching HIV) to the LGBTs. These allow the gays to mistakenly believe that they can put their foot down even harder in pursuing risky sexual practices such as bare- backing – all at the expense of the tax payer [2]. They are also demanding that gay blood should be accepted by the National blood bank without any reference to their sexual behaviour [3] .
Same sex marriage has done nothing to ameliorate the sexual health of gays. It has only made the situation worse.
[1] Rise in gay sexually transmitted diseases
i) http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/gonorrhoea-syphilis-sti-statistics-uk-sexual-health-crisis-warning-a7120761.html
ii) http://www.aidsmap.com/London-gay-men-2-of-the-population-a-quarter-of-the-sexually-transmitted-infections-and-half-of-HIV-infections/page/2908526/
[iii] Morbidities of homosexuality
Garry Frisch
a) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449526/Gay-website-founder-yelled-Waheey-somersaulted-balcony.html
b) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/17/gayrights.digitalmedia
c) Kevin Greening
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-506197/Drugs-sex-games-shabby-death-Radio-1-star-Kevin-Greening.html
iv) List of famous people who have died from AIDS and HIV. Mostly they are from arts: drama, music, art and dance etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HIV-positive_people#Theatre_and_dance
iv) Barebacking, posing, giving the gift
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/12/19/gay-bareback-porn-star-dies-of-hiv-related-complications/
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/02/michael-lucas-gay-bareback-porn-is-hotter-and-i-dont-use-condoms-with-my-hiv-positive-partner/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13295300
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/us-research-reveals-higher-cancer-rate-among-gay-men/
http://www.aidsmap.com/Many-gay-men-enjoy-bareback-porn-but-are-concerned-about-its-possible-effects-on-sexual-behaviour/page/2704451/
[2] Anti – HIV Prep plan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36421124
[3] Gay Blood
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11179105/Let-non-celibate-gay-men-donate-blood-Tory-MP-to-demand.html
David Skinner UK
There is a similar disdain for democracy by the Left here in the UK, as shown by the current push by Milliband, the previous leader of the Labour Party. He is now leading a campaign to insist that, despite the result from the Referendum which had the biggest turn out of voters for many years, any decisions on leaving the EU should remain the responsibility of the Parliament.
To paraphrase their position: “We disagree with what the people want, and we will do whatever we can to ignore that and do we want instead.”
I suspect that the Left in Australia (and elsewhere) have seen the result of what happens when the people get a vote, and are now adjusting their strategies to ensure such similar ‘mistakes’ (such as a Plebiscite in Australia) are not made again!
Thanks David,
Of course our publicly funded ABC won’t go anywhere near these critical facts. They dishonestly promote the gay lifestyle as wonderful. Meanwhile older Australians have to wait longer and longer for non urgent surgery.
Utterly disgraceful while precious health dollars are funnelled to irresponsible gays who infect each other thru their perversion,
Regards phil
We should stop calling them gay, there is nothing ‘gay’ about their lifestyle. There is also nothing ‘normal’ about homosexual sex as much as they want us to ‘accept’ their depravity as normal, there is nothing normal about it. Normal sex is such that under the right circumstances a new life can be formed. Granted that not every time heterosexual couples have intercourse a pregnancy results, however there is the possibility, therefore it is termed ‘normal’. This is the primary purpose of sex. This is the yard stick by which sexual activity should be measured. As such then is it possible that same sex couples sexual activity can ever result in a pregnancy?
They (homosexual’s) have been emboldened by the support our government has afforded them and also the support by media and so called celebrities. Not once have we heard or witnessed any concern from relevant government departments (Children’s agencies etc) about the effects SSM will have on the most vulnerable in society, our children. No doubt they are fearful of doing so as this may bring them under the wrath of the pink brigade.
Yes scripture foretold has come to pass, “they will call good evil and evil good”.
Let us continue to pray despite what comes and hold fast to the promises of God.
Bill Shorten, or some other Labour MP has said the Australian people should leave Parliament, the elected members, to vote on same sex marriage. MPs were voted in by the people and the people should now trust them to administer the democratic process. But when we vote for governments we do not give them a blank cheque to redefine the very foundations and presuppositions upon which a western governments are founded. For instance we do not vote them in to suddenly bring in Shariah law and turn our nations into Islamic states. Which is fact is already happening in Britain.
The Labour and Greens are being disingenuous when they argue that ssm legislation is no different to any other piece of legislation. They argue that since there has not been a plebiscite for all the hundreds of other bits of legislation, then there should not be one for ssm. But such day to day, bits of legislation, such as whether there should be daylight saving, for example, did not debate whether the night is the day or the day is the night or even whether there is no difference between the two.
What same sex marriage challenges is way more than not allowing same sex partnerships (of any number of players) to settle down and become like the rest of the population. Gays do not want to assimilate and thereby lose their distinct identity. What they want is for society to become as equally corrupt and depraved as they are. They do not want equality. They want dominance.
The restraints and nets filtering lust , ambition, pride and narcissism, the borders and boundaries protecting marriage, family and children are to be smashed and demolished by the gay fascists. This is total war. Take it from the horse’s mouth;
http://video.metro.co.uk/video/met/2016/06/22/8146059504409690087/960x540_8146059504409690087.mp4
Already in London Pedestrian crossing lights have been replaced by LGBT ones. Our traffic and pedestrian signs and symbols will cease to be about road safety and procedure but all to do with sexualising and breaking down in the minds of pedestrians, an ordered world of left and right, up and down, male and female.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706789/Gay-traffic-lights-leave-pedestrians-confused-Trafalgar-Square
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”
It is a philosophy that completely destroys the very foundations upon which Western democracy was established . This is taking the Australians back to ground zero, where nothing is taken for granted or assumed. Every detail of reality is now going to be defined . It will not stop at same sex marriage. It will mean the redefinition of men and women, children, virtue, morality, what it means to be human and of course the meaning truth itself. It will mean the end to a binary world of antithesis. in politics it will mean the end of Labour and Conservative- an end to opposition parties – the totalitarian state.
Peter Jones of TruthXchange speaks a great deal about onesism and twoism.
David Skinner
Cardinal Burke (USA) stated the following: “acceptance of contraception has led to people justifying all kinds of sexual activity as supposedly an expression of love”. He continued, “genital activity between two persons of the same sex is an example of where the road leads if sex is emptied of its procreative potential.
With due respect to those who lay part of the blame of on the availability of contraception; homosexuality, bestiality and adultery have been practiced for millennia before contraception (physical and medical) were readily available. Besides, many of those opposing contraception still allow the “rhythm” method, which is also intended to preclude/prevent conception of an offspring (“emptied of its procreative potential”). Furthermore, what need do homosexuals have for contraception?
Thanks Madge and Peter. This article is of course not really on the issue of contraception as such. But for what it is worth (without wishing to get into a big debate about this here), I did a piece on it some time ago for those who are interested:
https://billmuehlenberg.com/2003/03/16/a-review-of-open-embrace-by-sam-and-bethany-torode/
May I say that though homosexuality cannot be blamed for the rise in the use of contraception, there is certainly a link between homosexuality and abortion which for many young women has become a form of contraception. The legalization of both homosexuality and abortion came about at the same time, in 1967 thereabouts. Homosexuals are not interested in having children, even more than they are interested in marriage. The percentage of gays who actually have dependent children through IVF, surrogacy or adoption is tiny . In the UK it is 1% of the gay population or 0.016% of the entire UK population. It serves the homosexuals to be pro -abortion, even though they have no need of it themselves. because they know that abortion destroys the conscience and parental instincts of the heterosexuals. It takes away their moral high ground. Gays know the devastating effect that abortion has on the spiritual life of those who practice it, and this suits them fine.
Moreover “freeing” the heterosexuals from the notion that sex is inextricably linked with producing children,, ie., breaking the connection between penis and vagina, means that both sexual organs are liberated, making them available to homosexuals waiting for them to land whenever they finish flying about here and there and fancy something a bit more exotic . Moreover it makes the pool of available partners much larger the uniformly gay “community” which is only about 1% of the population For now gays are in a position to seduce and steal someone else’s husband or wife. They can have it all and stolen fruit always tastes better.
http://www.wnd.com/2005/12/33697/
Praise God the Marriage Act remains (for the time being).
Regardless of Laws i pray Australians will still honour Holy Matrimony and thank God for his provision. I pray the nation will see that God’s design and order through the Marriage Covenant is the best there is. I pray that scales are lifted off, minds and hearts are renewed and God is honoured once again.
Madge… I totally get your points about the sex acts, Prayer and Action..
Thanks David Skinner. We were in Trafalgar Square a few weeks ago and were perplexed by the traffic walk signs. Seems it is as we suspected at the time. More money which could have gone to the (left’s favourite) priorities of health and education. Hypocrites not!
David Williams, the Express has a very good article on the Pederastian crossing lights ( as someone aptly called them)[1]. What is also good are the many comments, made – most likely by non Christians – under the influence of a God given common sense. For instance one commentator, Mac O Rony, wrote,
“The legal design of crossing signs can be found in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 14, part 2, Diagrams 4002.1 – 4003.1A
Fun though these new signs might be, they do not appear to conform to legal requirements.
For details, Google The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 14”
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if it could be found that Transport for London and the new Muslim Mayor of London, Sadiq Kahn, had over reached themselves and made to be personally responsible for breaking the law?
[1] http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706789/Gay-traffic-lights-leave-pedestrians-confused-Trafalgar-Square
David Skinner UK
@David Skinner
Exactly; gay activists testify by their actions that no-one is born ‘gay’. Were there any possibility that an unborn baby could be ‘gay’, it would not be legal to rip off its arms and legs without anaesthetic while it is still alive, as happens in dilation and evacuation (D&E) abortion.
When Tasmanian ‘gay’ activists marched into the Hobart police station in the 1990s, with the media in tow, they were happy to risk 21 years in prison for “sexual inter. But they will not risk just one year in prison, under Tasmania’s Repoductive Health (Access to Terminations) Act 2013, to try to save the lives of babies whom they claim are born gay!
Leftism, A powerful Religion destroying Australia Families and Culture by stealth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EwI3zgJzNk
Should we not use the method of divide and conquer. Perhaps the way through is not straight ahead but by a few detours. Of late, whenever facebook and others allow me to say something I point out that it is not logical for homosexuals to want access to heteroseuxal marriage which was created for heterosexuals because they are not heterosexual.
Heterosexual marriage only makes sense if you are heterosexual and homosexuals who want access to it will make a complete mess of it because the required parameters for its success is not there.
Far better that they invent their own style of homosexual marriage that will satisfy their own qualities or lack of them and prevent them from demanding something else that belongs to heterosexuality when they discover marriage whatever version it is did not make them happy.
Because of their emotional dysfunction, they have this tendency to blame everyone else for their troubles rather than face the fact that the problem is them.
Greetings Minister Bill, it was Abraham, that interceded for the City not to be destroyed for the sake of the righteous.
Genesis 18: 16-33 Judgment Pronounced on Sodom
16 Then the men set out from there, and they looked toward Sodom; and Abraham went with them to set them on their way. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 seeing that Abraham shall become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 No, for I have chosen him, that he may charge his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice; so that the Lord may bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.” 20 Then the Lord said, “How great is the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah and how very grave their sin! 21 I must go down and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry that has come to me; and if not, I will know.”
22 So the men turned from there, and went toward Sodom, while Abraham remained standing before the Lord. 23 Then Abraham came near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will you then sweep away the place and not forgive it for the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” 26 And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will forgive the whole place for their sake.” 27 Abraham answered, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28 Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 Again he spoke to him, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” 30 Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” 31 He said, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” 32 Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak just once more. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” 33 And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.
A brilliant argument, Roger. You’ve summed up the whole ‘debate’ in a nutshell. It’s so simple when you put it that way – although I suppose we can still expect homosexuals and all the other members of the LGBTIABCXYZ (or whatever) brigade to come up with some objection.
Firstly, greetings Minister Bill, I do pray that you are well Sir. I pray that the kingdom of God grows more and more within you Bill. May God protect you and your family from the enemy, whether physical or spiritual attacks. I pray that God’s angels are each side of you. To the North and the South, to the East and the West. Where ever you go, where ever you go, that his angels would be beside you. I feel as Sodom and Gomorrah, that righteous Lot and his daughters were the only ones to survive the judgement of God. God’s Lictor’s were sent to punish the wicked, as the cry against these cities became so great. But it was through Abraham’s intercession, Abrahams prayer, that God listened! One must believe, that God is a rewarder. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that ” he had pleased God.” 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would approach him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. It is important that we continue on the journey with God, and continually please him. This is the all in all of our lives. This is the newness of our lives in the Lord Jesus Christ.
My reactions to this.
I wonder what my late father would think of what the ALP has become.
Shorten shouts down anyone who does not agree with him on SSM. He resorts to name calling. For instance, the way he treats one conservative Senator, reminded me of what I used to see in the schoolyard.
Then, there is how the mainstream media is treating this issue. It does not even acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons for opposing changing marriage laws.
The reports the other night. Shorten speaks in yet another one of the grabs he’s known for, announcing that the plebiscite won’t go ahead. He’s flanked by members of the public, sympathetic to his position. My reaction?
(Sarcastically, I mutter at the TV)
“Shorten, you’re such a hero.”