Difficult Bible Passages: Luke 23:34

In this series I have dealt with not only verses which can be difficult to understand and interpret, but verses which are simply often abused and misused. This verse is one of the latter cases. What it says is not all that hard to grasp, but how it can be applied and used can be problematic.

The verse says this: “Jesus said, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.’ And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.” This of course shows us the love of God in action, and divine forgiveness put to the test. Yet often I hear people using the words of Jesus here in a way that may not be all that appropriate.

That is, this phrase is often thrown up when we find an individual or a group engaged in real evil. It might be a Hitler or a Bin Laden, or the IS, or the Nazis. It might be ornery atheists or militant homosexual activists. As these evil agendas are being discussed, a person will say, ‘Yeah, but they know not what they are doing’.

jesus 29Well, yes and no. It is true that ‘the god of this world has blinded the eyes of those who don’t believe’ as Paul teaches in 2 Corinthians 4:4. So yes, satanic deception is always at work here. But we must guard against the error of assuming therefore that such people are no longer morally accountable.

We tend to think that if they are acting out of ignorance then they are not morally culpable for their actions. Thus if we are not careful here, we may end up making excuses for sinners and their sin, and seek to let them off the hook. It is always dangerous – and unbiblical – to play down sin and evil, make excuses for it, or seek to explain it away.

Evil exists, evil people exist, and evil acts are done every single day. So we must not use this passage in a way it was not intended to be used. Real sin exists because there are real sinners in the world. And they all are morally responsible for their actions, and all stand guilty before a holy God.

And it can also be said that many folks – perhaps most – do in fact know what they are doing. There is nothing helpful about being naïve here, or engaging in wishful thinking. The truth is, many evil people are hatching evil plans, and they know exactly what they are doing.

The Nazis knew what they were doing. The militant atheists know what they are doing. The Islamists know what they are doing. The homosexual lobby knows what it is doing. The secular humanists are quite aware of what they are doing. All of them are guilty, and we cannot let them off the hook by misapplying this passage to them.

Furthermore, Jesus talks about forgiving them. Yes, that too is something we are called to do, but again, things are not always so cut and dried. Are we always to forgive anyone anytime, even if they do not repent? Is forgiveness unconditional?

Actually, Jesus himself spoke to this: “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them” (Luke 17:3-4).

So there seems to be the qualification of repentance here. But I have written about this in much more detail elsewhere, so please have a look at this: billmuehlenberg.com/2014/07/11/on-unconditional-forgiveness/

But there is a further reason why care must be used when employing this verse. Once again, considering the context can be of real help in such situations. And that is certainly the case here. Luke 23 is all about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.

And the immediate context is about the Roman soldiers and how they treated Jesus during the crucifixion. So it could well be that it is to these soldiers that Jesus is speaking. If so, care may be needed in extrapolating these words directed to the soldiers at the crucifixion to everyone else in every other situation. As David Garland comments:

The antecedent of “them” could be limited to the Roman soldiers carrying out orders to execute him. The “they” naturally refers to the soldiers since their actions, crucifying Jesus (v. 33) and casting lots for his clothes (v. 34b), surround the saying. They would not have known the Law and the Prophets and probably lacked any information about his ministry.

And the Jewish leadership as a whole may also be in view here. If so, the counterbalance to forgiving evil is found in Peter’s address at Pentecost when he speaks of their culpability: “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah” (Acts 2:36).

Says Darrell Bock, if Jews are in view here, then the “ignorance that Jesus attributes to the nation is not a lack of knowledge, but an erroneous judgment about God’s activity.” The issue of national repentance is not an obstacle, says Bock, “since individuals can still respond. As to the inevitability of national catastrophe, Jesus is not asking for the judgment on the nation to be put off. The national consequences stand.”

In saying all this I am of course not seeking to minimise the power of divine love and forgiveness which Jesus always fully exemplified. Loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us is a basic Christian duty, as Jesus made clear in the Sermon on the Mount.

My point in raising this is simply to warn against possible misuses of the words of Jesus. Real evil exists and it must be opposed. The Allies were right to oppose the evil of the Nazis for example. Wilberforce was right to oppose the evil of slavery and resist what the slave owners were doing.

And often those involved in great evil know full well what they are doing. So we must not make excuses for evil, or opt out of fighting evil. But we certainly can pray for those who oppose us, attack us, hate us, and resist the gospel. Some will see the light and be gloriously transformed.

Sadly not all will however, and they will face the music big time. They will have no excuses on that day, and will receive the full penalty for their sin and rebellion. In that day ignorance will not be an excuse. But for now, everyone has a chance to repent and turn to Christ.

Let us pray that they do.

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8 Replies to “Difficult Bible Passages: Luke 23:34”

  1. Thanks Bill. I have noticed this Scripture is abused to the point of blasphemy, particularly when used as a justification for wrong. I have heard so-called gay ‘Christians’ using this verse. More disturbingly, Andrew Chan had quoted this Scripture as well, before his execution. The repentant thief did not repeat these words of Jesus, rather he stated that he deserved to die for his crimes.

    While God knows where Andrew Chan stood with regards to his salvation, my concern is that weak and gutless church discipleship is to blame. No one is able to address the seriousness of sin anymore, let alone the consequences.

    I think that any Christian ought to consider carefully any of Jesus words (such as these) before they are used. We need to remember it was the spotless, pure Son of God who spoke these words, and not a fallen man! If we misuse anything Jesus spoke, we really are guilty of blasphemy.

    David Clay

    Darwin

  2. These soldiers did not know that they were fulfilling what God had ordained for His Son to save mankind. Christ had to die , therefore someone had to crucify him. Jesus forgave them for crucifying him, saying that they knew not what they were doing because they thought they eere killing King of the Jews, – they didn’t know that they were actually killing The Son of God. Christ asked his Father to save these men because of their lack of knowledge. He knew someone had to fulfill prophecy.

  3. Thanks Bill, that was really helpful. I have never heard this said before, yet my ‘instincts’ were along the lines of this.

  4. Who can really plumb the cosmic enormity of mere mortal sinners crucifying the Author of Life? To use the words of Nietzsche’s madman, the death of the Lord of glory makes mankind “the murderers of all murderers”: “Christ died for our sins” is the most astounding indictment ever of Adam’s unhappy race. How could anyone at that crucifixion, except the Victim, have fully grasped the enormity of what was happening?

  5. Thanks, Bill, for raising this issue. Two points:
    1. There is a textual issue regarding this verse: many early manuscripts (P75, Codex B, correctors of Aleph, Codex D, Codex W, etc) omit it, and some scholars (e.g. James White) likewise regard the verse as not belonging to Luke’s Gospel, albeit a Dominical saying that has been inserted along the line. Now I disagree with these scholars; I regard it as part of Luke’s Gospel, but nevertheless this issue should be mentioned, just as in any discussion of the story of the woman in adultery.

    2. Jesus did not say, “Father excuse them, for they know not what they do”, but, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”. This simple point really cuts through so much of the funk around this verse. The homosexuals, for example, want to have their sin condoned and excused; they are not out for pardon and forgiveness. Hence this text gives them NO relief in that regard.

  6. It is a profound piece of work – an eye opening article, Bill, to those who abused and are abusing their power to commit such horrendous acts of evil. It is so very true that the evil doers such as the Nazis, the Communists knew what they were doing including the militant atheists, the secular humanists, the murderers etc are aware of and know exactly what they are doing. All of them are guilty before God – the heavenly Judge. The whole world will be silenced and be brought under the standard of God’s justice and righteousness when the Judge of all – Christ Jesus returns. Evil men have no excuse before the One whom they have to give an account to. The Lord Jesus said to Pilate, “… the one who handed Me to you is guilty of the greater sin” (John 19:11).

  7. Hi Bill,
    You quoted 2 Corinthians 4:4 ‘… the god of this world has blinded the eyes….’
    The wording in the NASB & NKJ at least, uses ‘minds’ rather than ‘eyes’. I was drawn to this verse a number of years ago and thought about what ‘blinding the mind’ might mean.
    To blind the eyes prevents someone from seeing.
    To blind the mind prevents someone from thinking.
    This is true of the secular world and, as you keep pointing out, tragically it also applies to many churches; which is really not surprising as Satan’s strategy is to infiltrate the church and undermine truth.

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