It clearly is time for incest rights – stop the bigotry now!
‘OK folks, it really is time to end all the bigotry and discrimination. If a man loves his daughter and wants to marry her, who are we to stand in the way of true love? Only a hater or a religious bigot would be opposed to that! End this intolerance now, and let’s go for real marriage equality!’
Anyone who has been following the older debates over homosexual marriage will know that the above is not only actually being called for, but it has been for quite some time now. Those of us who have been warning about extending special rights to homosexuals, including “marriage” rights have long sounded the alarm that a slippery slope does indeed exist, and once you go down that path, there will be no stopping where it leads.
I and others spoke of this for many years now, but we were ignored, criticised, vilified and made fun of. ‘It will never happen.’ ‘You are an alarmist.’ ‘You are a fear-monger.’ ‘Nothing will change when we legalise homosexual marriage.’
I just did a quick search on my own website. Back in September of 2003 I wrote this: “The same arguments used to justify same-sex marriages can be used to justify polygamy, incest, bestiality, group sex, and so on. Once the fundamental idea of marriage as one man and one woman is tossed out, any and all types of sexual activity become permissible.” https://billmuehlenberg.com/2003/09/20/quick-facts-on-marriage/
I often warned about how we open a Pandora’s Box that will never again be shut if we head down that road. And I have been proven 100% right. Everything I and a few others warned about decades ago has been coming to pass, just as we anticipated. Calls for legalised group marriage, incest and even intergenerational sex (paedophilia) have been made by many for years now.
And of course all sorts of euphemisms and pleasant-sounding terms are being used to cover up what is really going on. One of them refers to “CIAO people” (Consensual Adult Incest Oriented people). And notice that this too is an “orientation”. ‘Hey, I was born this way, I can’t help it!’
One of the more recent calls for incest to be legalised is being made by an Australian man. Consider how one media outlet is covering the story:
Consensual incest advocates are rooting for an anonymous New York parent who wants to marry their own adult child. Australian Richard Morris, who is pushing to change incest laws in about 60 countries, said he supports the legal push in Manhattan Federal Court and that such behaviour between consenting adults “should not be criminalised”. He and other advocates have launched about 130 petitions, mostly on Change.org, seeking to change incest laws around the world. Most have received little support. “We haven’t moved any mountains yet,” he told the NY Post.
Mr Morris was inspired to fight for those in consenting incestual relationships, he said, after learning about a Scottish case in which a long-separated father and daughter were reunited, started an affair and were then criminally convicted. Fighting for true “marriage equality” is “the right thing to do, isn’t it?” Mr Morris said. “It seems to be as unjust as the law that used to imprison gay people, and the law that used to stop people of different races marrying,” he added. https://nypost.com/2021/04/17/consensual-incest-should-be-decriminalized-advocates-say/
‘Hey, love is love. It’s consensual! Why all the discrimination? Marriage equality now!’ Um, where have we heard all that before? Oh yeah, back in the homosexual marriage debate, the one where I and others were laughed at, ridiculed and hated on for daring to suggest that this can of worms would only lead to much more of the same.
As I say, I have long been trying to alert people to these things. In addition to the posts that I mentioned above, plenty of others could be highlighted, including “In Praise of Incest” which I posted in December of 2010: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2010/12/15/in-praise-of-incest/
And in my books I also spoke to these matters at length. In my 2011 volume Strained Relations I had a section on the slippery slope in action. I said this in part:
Moreover, the same arguments used for legalising same-sex marriage could be used to argue for legalising incest, polygamy, and any number of other sexual combinations. If a man wanted to have a long-term sexual relationship with his daughter, or if three women wanted to do the same, how could any society argue against it, if it has already overturned the traditional understanding of marriage?
This has been exactly the case with a Columbia University professor charged with incest with his adult daughter. His attorney put it this way: “It’s OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home. How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not. What goes on between consenting adults in private should not be legislated. That is not the proper domain of our law. If we assume for a moment that both parties are consenting, then why are we prosecuting this?”
If marriage is no longer one man, one woman for life, then any number of alternatives seems to be possible. If homosexuals can argue that a loving committed relationship should qualify anyone for the institution of marriage, then other equally binding and loving unions should be recognised.
As Sam Schulman put it, “If we grant rights to one group because they have demanded it – which is, practically, how legalized gay marriage will come to pass – we will find it exceedingly awkward to deny similar rights to others ready with their own dossiers of ‘victimization.’ In time, restricting marriage rights to couples, whether straight or gay, can be made to seem no less arbitrary than the practice of restricting marriage rights to one man and one woman. Ultimately, the same must go for incestuous relationships between consenting adults.”
The truth is, all boundaries are smashed when we redefine marriage.
And in Dangerous Relations, released in 2014, I said this, among other things:
The push for incest “rights” is also sadly now upon us in a big way. Once again a number of voices are calling for this, and it is not just low-life types, but respectable leaders and educators. And once again, to even dare to suggest that the push for homosexual marriage rights will logically lead to incest rights results in plenty of abuse and derision.
One person knows this full well. Actor Jeremy Irons has asked whether we must now tolerate even incest, if we allow homosexual marriage to go ahead: “Academy Award winning actor Jeremy Irons said Wednesday that while he doesn’t have much of a strong opinion either way on same-sex marriage, he believes it poses interesting questions, including whether allowing same-sex marriage would open the door for interfamilial relationships. ‘Could a father not marry his son?’ Irons asked HuffPost Live host Josh Zepps.
“Irons argued that ‘it’s not incest between men’ because ‘incest is there to protect us from inbreeding, but men don’t breed,’ and wondered whether same-sex marriage might allow fathers to pass on their estates to their sons without being taxed. ‘It seems to me that now they’re fighting for the name,’ Irons said of advocates for same-sex marriage as opposed to civil unions. ‘I worry that it means somehow we debase, or we change, what marriage is. I just worry about that’.”
He is clearly asking the right questions, but he took plenty of flak for daring to do so. But as I said, already many people are calling for the complete acceptance of incest, all in the name of tolerance and diversity….
And others are not just asking about this connection – they are making the connection. If homosexual marriage is fine, why not incest? Consider film maker Nick Cassavetes who last year released the film Yellow with incest as the main theme. He saw no problem with this at all, and was happy to thank homosexual “progress” for all this. He said,
“We started thinking about [incest]. We had heard a few stories where brothers and sisters were completely, absolutely in love with one another. You know what? This whole movie is about judgment, and lack of it, and doing what you want. Who gives a shit if people judge you? I’m not saying this is an absolute but in a way, if you’re not having kids – who gives a damn? Love who you want. Isn’t that what we say? Gay marriage – love who you want? If it’s your brother or sister it’s super-weird, but if you look at it, you’re not hurting anybody except every single person who freaks out because you’re in love with one another.”
And of course we must be open to the possibility that this is all just genetic. “After all, I was born that way – I can’t help it.” Yep, let’s just add this to the list of “sexual orientations” which must be acknowledged, affirmed and legalised. And we already have groups seeking to give a pseudo-scientific backing to all this. Consider the site, Genetic Sexual Attraction. Yes I am afraid they mean just what it sounds like they mean: “GSA is a natural response to a broken situation. Humans have been designed to bond with their kin starting at the onset of the relationship and for whatever reasons (divorce, abandonment, adoption) it did not happen. This need to bond, which has been dormant for years, finally has the opportunity at the reunion to form a fierce and profound connection.”
Enough said. The push for the removal of all sexual boundaries seems to be proceeding apace. Once a society declares that homosexual acts and homosexual marriage are important social goods which must be given the full force of legal and social approbation, then the door of necessity just gets pushed open that much further.
I know I am not supposed to say, “I told you so,” but, well, I DID tell you so.