More Christian Atheists
Yep, you read that right: Christian atheists. Believe it or not, there are folks out there who claim to be Christians – even Christian leaders – who also proudly inform us that they don’t believe in God. Yep, makes perfect sense to me too. But hey, who am I to judge?
Hmm, now that I think about it, I am to judge – we all are. When false prophets and false shepherds come along, we are obligated to call them out. To allow them to keep doing their thing, damaging the church and leading people astray is just not an option.
And we should not be surprised anyway about this. Jesus and the disciples warned about this all the time. Jesus for example said this as recorded in Matthew 7:15: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.”
Paul put it this way in Acts 20:28-3: “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!”
There is never a shortage of these wolves out there, doing great harm to the faith and to God’s people. You may have read about the recent case of a Presbyterian pastor who claimed he did not believe in God. Not surprisingly, a few eyebrows were raised about this, and a few folks questioned his relationship with God.
Yet this seems to have upset our “atheist Christian”. He has actually taken umbrage at the claims by some that he just might not be a Christian! As one story explains:
A Presbyterian USA minister in Oregon who says that he doesn’t believe in God—and doesn’t require his members to believe either–remarked in a recent article that he is offended by those who assert that he is not a Christian.
“Someone quipped that my congregation is BYOG: Bring Your Own God. I use that and invite people to ‘bring their own God’—or none at all,” wrote John Shuck of Beaverton’s Southminster Presbyterian Church in a guest post for Patheos last week. “While the symbol ‘God’ is part of our cultural tradition, you can take it or leave it or redefine it to your liking.”
Shuck first came out as an unbeliever in 2011, generating controversy as to how one could serve as a minister and not believe in the Bible.
“The concept of ‘God’ is a product of myth-making and ‘God’ is no longer credible as a personal, supernatural being,” he wrote in a blog post on his site “Shuck and Jive.” “Jesus may have been historical, but most of the stories about Him in the Bible and elsewhere are legends.”
Shuck reiterated his unbelief in his article “I’m a Presbyterian Minister Who Doesn’t Believe in God” on Tuesday, as he asserted that “[b]elief-less Christianity is thriving.”
“We all have been trained to think that Christianity is about believing things,” he wrote. “Its symbols and artifacts (God, Bible, Jesus, Heaven, etc) must be accepted in a certain way. And when times change and these beliefs are no longer credible, the choices we are left with are either rejection or fundamentalism.”
But Shuck says that although he rejects the Bible as being literal, and denies the existence of Heaven and Hell, he takes offense when people tell him that he’s not a Christian.
“[E]ven though I hold those beliefs, I am still a proud minister. But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian,” he stated. “Many liberal or progressive Christians have already let go or de-emphasized belief in Heaven, that the Bible is literally true, that Jesus is supernatural, and that Christianity is the only way. Yet they still practice what they call Christianity.”
Yeah right. He is a proud minister alright – a proud minister of Satan. And we have the full authority of the Word of God (the book he no longer believes in) to make this claim. He is a part of the Synagogue of Satan. He is certainly not a part of the Body of Christ.
He might as well claim to be a meat-eating vegetarian, or a KKK-loving Black, or a Jew who works for the Nazis. All he is doing is making things up as he goes along. He is a legend in his own mind. Indeed, he has set up his mind, and himself, as god. He will decide what is true and false, right and wrong.
This is the very heart of idolatry, and the very thing which the One True God cannot abide. “You shall have no other Gods before me” Yahweh proclaimed as the first commandment. And the very first and greatest commandment Jesus offered us was to love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength.
This reprobate has of course broken both of these commandments. And proudly so. He thinks he is god and he will call the shots. Well I have news for this joker: he is not the centre of the universe. He is not even the centre of Oregon, or of Beaverton.
He is simply another arrogant idolater, shaking his fist at God in ugly rebellion and defiance. He is no better than any other atheist and misotheist. Indeed, he is worse, because he once claimed to be a Christian. He clearly is not any longer. He is deceived, and is quite happy to drag as many other deceived folks down into the pit with him as he can.
Obviously we can pray for such apostates. And a good prayer to pray is that God would either improve or remove the guy.
Psalm 14:1 says this: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’.” And for good measure it is repeated in Psalm 53:1: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’.”
15 Replies to “More Christian Atheists”
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“he said the idea was a shuck”
Yes, I note that even atheist Richard Dawkins likes to describe himself as a “cultural christian”… whatever that could possibly mean!
Yes, you heard right!
FACT: Either you are a Christian (believer in God; follower of Christ and the Ten Commandments)
OR you are not!
FACT: There is NO middle ground.
FACT: If you try to straddle both sides of the fence, you end up with splinters … or worse … Jesus will say to all “lukewarm christians”: “I do not know you” and will “spit them out like vomit” (I’ll get the specific bible quote ASAP).
Matthew 7:21-23 and Revelation 3:16.
What a fruit loop.
I just hope the Presbyterian Church in USA is moving to ex-communicate him from the church and remove him from ministry post haste. How can he minister to people in the name of something he does not believe in. Unbelievable!!
This belief that “God’ is part of our cultural tradition, you can take it or leave it or redefine it to your liking” is an obvious result of post- modern, post-structural relativism whereby there are no absulutes-the only reality is what you yourself choose to construct. It’s the logical conclusion to materialism and that we and our thoughts are the results of selfish genes and our thoughts are just millions of electrical connections.
But the as atheist evolutionary biologist J. B. S. Haldane once put it: “If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true…and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.”
If you believe that , then anything is valid- even being an atheistic Christian
Oh I see, that’s part of what has happened. I guess some have forgotten that to be a Christian means you are striving to be Christ like and you are choosing Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. To be His! I can’t wait til He comes back and makes all things right. And shows the yes, positively, right, correct, no ifs, ands, or buts, about it, TRUTH!
It’s interesting because a ‘shuck’ in Irish refers to a wet, smelly, dark, boggy area of peatland.
Legend in his own mind- where I come from he’s called a fruitcake.
May your readers note that this kind of unbelief was dealt with, decisively, by the Presbyterian Church of Australia in NSW some years ago.
Rev Dr Peter Cameron said that the Bible is like ‘the guru’s cat.’ He told the story of a temple in India, with a famous guru, who used to sit with his cat and teach his devotees. Well, the guru died, and the devotees let the cat stay on, sitting where the guru sat. Years passed, and the cat died. And the devotees obtained another cat to sit where the guru sat. More years passed, and one day someone asked, ‘why is the cat in the temple? ‘ After some research, it was discovered that it as there to remember the guru.
Peter Cameron said the Bible is like the guru’s cat. It is nice to have it around, but really it is just nice. It doesn’t matter what it says on the issues of homosexuality or the role of women in the church. It’s the guru’s cat. Irrelevant.
For that Peter Cameron was removed as a minister of the Presbyterian Church of NSW.
Sadly, I doubt that will happen to Rev John Shuck, of the Presbyterian Church, USA ….
Our Lord Jesus said, “If anyone turns even the smallest of My followers away from Me falling into sin. It would be better for him if someone had hung a millstone around his neck and flung him into the deepest part of the sea” (Mark 9:42).
Another hopeless cleric, being fed and watered by a hopeless, dumb a*se congregation!
You cannot have it both ways.
Oh Bill- Judging people again! Just because a man doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t believe that anything written about Jesus is true, surely you can’t say he is not a Christian. Next you’ll be saying that a person who wallows in sin, kills people for fun, commits all kinds of sexual acts, robs, cheats, slanders and so on, probably isn’t a Christian! Please, give such people the benefit of the doubt.
Of course, it might be hard to have any doubt.
This is how they can say that there is division among “Christians” about same sex “marriage”, which I think the US Presbyterian “church” has now come out in favour of, or that it is “just a matter of opinion among Christians” and get away with it. You not only redefine “marriage” you redefine “Christian” and “gender” and “sex” and “parent” and “rainbows” and “equality” and “rights” and “orientation” and “morality” and “discrimination” and “husband” and “wife” and “logic” and “immutable” and the Constitution and anything else that gets in your way.
I could say:-
Mat 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
but of course, “worship” has been redefined too and this fellow doesn’t even pretend to do it anyway.