A picture is always worth a whole bunch of words, so please everyone check out this photo in the following article: http://testify.com.au/archives/1673
What more need I say? This really could be the shortest article I ever post here. But just in case a few of you are not quite with it here, let me point out what has just occurred. The militant homosexual activists, who believe bullying, intimidation, attack, and abuse is the only way to make their case, are known for forever blubbering on about tolerance and acceptance.
So what do we find here? The story explains: “Same Sex Marriage supporters attacked Wallsend Presbyterian Church last night in response to a message criticising same-sex marriage displayed on the building’s outside notice board. The church on Nelson Street had updated its message board last week to read ‘Even tradies know you need both male and female joints to make a marriage’. The front of the 1867 building, which recently received a $12,000 makeover, was defaced with numerous pro-homosexual scrawls.”
So this is how the tolerance brigade makes its case: by attacking and defacing and causing damage to a church. Yep, we sure do love how you guys do business. All that love and tolerance is just oozing out here. But if this were not bad enough, look closely at that photo again.
Did you see one of the bits of graffiti? It says this: “Tolerance is a virtue”. I kid you not. Look at it again! Don’t you just love how these guys demonstrate all their wonderful love of tolerance? They bend over backwards trying to be the most intolerant bunch in the country. And they are succeeding just fine.
As I mentioned, no commentary is really needed here. Just soak in the irony, the duplicity, the double standards and the hypocrisy. I love it when these guys make our case for us. I could never have done such a good enough job to demonstrate all this. So they kindly go and do it for me.
Thanks guys. Keep it up. We expect to see even more such cases of love, acceptance and tolerance in the near future. We know full well how you operate, and we look forward to more expressions of tolerance.
34 Replies to “The Tolerance Brigade Is At It Again”
This is just another instance that supports a view I have held for many years now – that there is more hypocrisy outside the church than there ever will be in it!!!!
Steve Davis
And that’s saying a lot, since there is so much within! Thanks again for sharing with us Steve.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Bill, I actually work for the Presbyterian Church and I have emailed this article to a lot of people around here. They need to see what is going on.
Steve Davis
They sure do Steve. Thanks for taking a stand, and for getting involved in these battles. We need more troopers like you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
BTW, if the link above does not work, here is another link to this story:
Bill,
My antivirus detected your referenced location testify.com.au/archives/1673 tried to download a virus “Trojan.JS.Redirector.TN” when I clicked on it. Fortunately it was blocked.
Be careful.
John Galanos
Our cars were eggs last weekend …… at home.
Jeffrie Trika
Thanks John
It has worked fine for me, and others, but a few have said similar things as you, which is why I posted the alternative link in my above comment.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I just hope other churches/Christians will NOT back down in this battle about same sex marriage.
Its better than staying quiet and letting the enemy win…
Tracey Hilton
Thanks Tracey
No we must not back down on this one. Far too much is at stake. As I have mentioned elsewhere, all we have to do is look at other places where SSM has been legalised – it looks real ugly:
“They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.”
Reason and dialogue is deadly to their private theologies – do they know who the brownshirts were?
Martin Snigg
Bill, the link worked fine for me and thanks for pointing me to the link for sending an email to George Christensen, people like him need all the encouragement we can give.
I also sent a letter to the Herald Sun (letters to the editor) stating reasons why SSM should not be legalized, quoting from your book ‘Strained Relations’. I haven’t heard back yet, although to be honest, I have never had any of my letters or comments published. Must be too close to the truth for their comfort.
Oh and just as an after thought, I believe many young people ‘become’ homosexual as a result of ‘grooming’ by an older predatory homosexual be they male or female. I say this from an experience that happened to me and speaking to others who were being pursued by a homosexual. The grooming can start as innocently as an invitation to a video night with certain videos being shown. Once the victim (especially if they are vulnerable) gives in to the advances of the older homosexual, they could well become confused about their sexuality and perhaps significantly embarrassed to defend their new sexual orientation even though they hate what they have become.
Any thoughts Bill? Has there ever been a study into why people choose or become homosexual?
Anyway, may we all continue to ‘fight the good fight’ even if other Christians are too fearful too.
Fred Merlo
Thanks Fred
I speak to some of your queries early on in my book, so I won’t repeat all that here. Keep up your good work.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill
I found this quote and wanted to share it.
Quote from Michael Brown’s
“A Queer Thing Happened To America”
The Inevitable Progression of Gay Activism
First, gay activists come out of the closet;
Second, they demanded their “rights”;
Third, they demanded that everyone recognize those “rights”;
Fourth, they want to strip away the rights of those who oppose them;
Fifth, they want to put those who oppose their “rights” into the closet.
“They claim that the attack was ‘incited’ by the Christian teaching on the billboard.”
Absolute garbage. Infantile. Absurd. This is just like that riot a couple of weeks ago where Gingerella Rudderkilla lost her shoe. Apparently I can blame others for my unsociable illegal behaviour if someone said something I disagree with. (Oh, hang on, no I can’t, I’m a Christian) I’m sure most 5 year olds have more maturity than that. It seems to me that leftists never grow up – it’s always somebody else’s fault, even when you’re feral and have a fuse a micron long.
Well, in the real world, you damage somebody else’s property – you pay. That’s how adults live – accepting responsibility for their own actions.
I hope these people are found and charged and legally compelled to make good the mess they made. It is especially critical to point out that anybody excusing this for any reason whatsoever is equally culpable and an enemy of freedom in Australia. Because what those people are effectively saying by not condemning it is that, given the opportunity, they would do the same thing, or at least, facilitate it by looking away. Either you respect the rule of law, or you don’t.
The measure of how much you support free speech is how much you are actively prepared to give someone you totally disagree with equal opportunity to express their views and enjoy the same protections you would expect. I don’t want to live in an Australia where others get to decide what I can and cannot disagree with, and I’m pretty sure the majority of Australians don’t either.
The lack of condemnation from the activists and lame attempts to shift the blame says it all. These people want to control what you say and do or you will be punished for not agreeing with them 100%. I’m curious to see what some of our political representatives will say if they are asked about this. Anything less that an adult response is highly irresponsible and would make me question the principles by which that person works by.
If you love freedom in Australia – even if you disagree with Reverend Copland – there is only one response to this that proves you do.
Mark Rabich
Thanks Mark
Yes this is perhaps the most bizarre bit of the whole thing: the homosexual activists are actually claiming it is the church’s fault that it was attacked. You might as well say that it is the woman’s fault when she is raped. (Well, come to think of it, that is often how Muslims argue.) So any attack is justified. This sort of morality comes straight out of Marx and the Communists. Anything for the cause.
What this really is, is a genuine case of a hate crime. The militants hate the church and attack accordingly. So why are our vilification and discrimination tribunals not prosecuting this as a case of hate crime?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I’m surprised you religious people don’t understand the sound arguments in favour of same-sex marriage. Let me repeat them.
First, proponents call all those who disagree with you, however polite and loving you are, homophobes and bigots. Secondly, they constantly use the slogan “marriage equality”, but are very careful not say how that is an argument. That would only confuse you. You have to take their word that gay marriage is essentially the same as and equal to traditional marriage.
Finally, when you say that males and females are obviously physically different when it comes to sexual endowment they laugh at you and say “Now you’re showing you’re obsessed with sex. What does that have to do with it?”
Why aren’t you all convinced?
David Morrison
Yes quite right David.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Yes, under the stupid definition of a ‘hate crime’, maybe. But I’m never going to endorse that as there are at least two fundamental flaws of the ‘hate crime/speech’ concept.
First of all someone has to define what is ‘hate’, and that is usually those in power. That immediately makes it open to a serious level of abuse. A good question to ask the proponents of the concept how they would feel if Christians got to define what is called ‘hate’ and what isn’t. The concept is really a way of abusing power so that the free speech they disagree with can be chilled under a smokescreen of making society more ‘peaceful’.
And then, laws against all violent acts already exist. Assault, rape, murder, vandalism, etc. ‘Hate’ is utterly useless except for two things – it makes more money for those who work in the legal system and it divides the community. What the ‘hate’ concept does is mean that identical crimes are punished unequally if one victim falls within a protected group and another one does not. I’m no legal eagle, but I would’ve thought that this is in clear defiance to the bedrock principle that the law needs to apply without fear or favour. Justice is meant to be blind. I’ve no doubt some ‘experts’ will tell me the concept is needed. Of cour$e, I have my $u$picion$ why they will think it’$ ju$t $uper.
Grown ups realise that not everybody is going to agree with them, and they go on with their lives regardless. And real incitement to commit crimes (eg. “Go and trash that house because we disagree with that person”) is pretty easy to identify. Every law in Australia that has this nefarious concept of ‘hate’ on the books needs to be scrubbed yesterday. The irony is that it actually creates more of what it purports to be against.
Mark Rabich
Bill, it was good to meet you at the conference a couple of weeks ago. Excellent comment here about the intolerance of those who preach tolerance.
The homosexual lobby give the game away by one of the final lines in that website article:
“This is a debate that we need to win, legalise Same Sex marriage, and we condone these attacks on churches that preach a pro-marriage, pro-family position.”
I thought they were arguing for ‘same-sex marriage’ but they are condoning attacks on pro-marriage institutions. If one truly believes in marriage, one does not attack people who are pro-marriage.
Paul McCormack
The point is, if the powers that be are really concerned about such hate crimes, then this is a perfect case of it. Why are they not going after these guys?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Thanks Paul
Yes that is a very revealing quote indeed. They have declared war on the church.
All marriage defenders (as a union between a man and a woman) should influence it.
Mark Wong
Yes quite right Mark. We all need to put in a submission, no matter how brief.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I was re-reading Romans 1 yesterday. Verses 29-32 sums it up!
Alison Stanley
Thank you for the link to the Wallsend church website, Mark. I sent them an e-mail.
Thanks for your blog, Bill. I listen to you on Vision radio and am buoyed by your courage in the face of some pretty hateful oppostion. You are often in my prayers. God bless you and yours today.
Christina Charles
Many thanks indeed Christina. And well done for getting involved in this issues. Bless you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
G’day Bill,
Actually I thought Ian’s sign was witty and clever, even funny. I’m going to pour scorn on them on Sunday in my ‘Couldn’t Help Noticing’ segment our service as humourless philistines, wowsers who can’t take a joke.
Andrew Campbell
Wagga Wagga Presbyterian Church
Quite right Andrew.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
This is just another instance that supports a view I have held for many years now – that there is more hypocrisy outside the church than there ever will be in it!!!!
Steve Davis
And that’s saying a lot, since there is so much within! Thanks again for sharing with us Steve.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Bill, I actually work for the Presbyterian Church and I have emailed this article to a lot of people around here. They need to see what is going on.
Steve Davis
They sure do Steve. Thanks for taking a stand, and for getting involved in these battles. We need more troopers like you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
BTW, if the link above does not work, here is another link to this story:
http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/vandals-attack-church-over-samesex-marriage-message/2454817.aspx
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Bill,
My antivirus detected your referenced location testify.com.au/archives/1673 tried to download a virus “Trojan.JS.Redirector.TN” when I clicked on it. Fortunately it was blocked.
Be careful.
John Galanos
Our cars were eggs last weekend …… at home.
Jeffrie Trika
Thanks John
It has worked fine for me, and others, but a few have said similar things as you, which is why I posted the alternative link in my above comment.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I just hope other churches/Christians will NOT back down in this battle about same sex marriage.
Its better than staying quiet and letting the enemy win…
Tracey Hilton
Thanks Tracey
No we must not back down on this one. Far too much is at stake. As I have mentioned elsewhere, all we have to do is look at other places where SSM has been legalised – it looks real ugly:
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
John 16:2 NIV
“They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.”
Reason and dialogue is deadly to their private theologies – do they know who the brownshirts were?
Martin Snigg
Bill, the link worked fine for me and thanks for pointing me to the link for sending an email to George Christensen, people like him need all the encouragement we can give.
I also sent a letter to the Herald Sun (letters to the editor) stating reasons why SSM should not be legalized, quoting from your book ‘Strained Relations’. I haven’t heard back yet, although to be honest, I have never had any of my letters or comments published. Must be too close to the truth for their comfort.
Oh and just as an after thought, I believe many young people ‘become’ homosexual as a result of ‘grooming’ by an older predatory homosexual be they male or female. I say this from an experience that happened to me and speaking to others who were being pursued by a homosexual. The grooming can start as innocently as an invitation to a video night with certain videos being shown. Once the victim (especially if they are vulnerable) gives in to the advances of the older homosexual, they could well become confused about their sexuality and perhaps significantly embarrassed to defend their new sexual orientation even though they hate what they have become.
Any thoughts Bill? Has there ever been a study into why people choose or become homosexual?
Anyway, may we all continue to ‘fight the good fight’ even if other Christians are too fearful too.
Fred Merlo
Thanks Fred
I speak to some of your queries early on in my book, so I won’t repeat all that here. Keep up your good work.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill
I found this quote and wanted to share it.
Quote from Michael Brown’s
“A Queer Thing Happened To America”
The Inevitable Progression of Gay Activism
First, gay activists come out of the closet;
Second, they demanded their “rights”;
Third, they demanded that everyone recognize those “rights”;
Fourth, they want to strip away the rights of those who oppose them;
Fifth, they want to put those who oppose their “rights” into the closet.
http://www.amazon.com/Queer-Thing-Happened-America-ebook/dp/B0052UOSYC#reader_B0052UOSYC
Cheers, Chris McNicol
Thanks Chris
A great quote. And it is a great book. I reviewed it here:
https://billmuehlenberg.com/2011/05/16/a-review-of-a-queer-thing-happened-to-america-by-michael-l-brown/
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Absolute garbage. Infantile. Absurd. This is just like that riot a couple of weeks ago where Gingerella Rudderkilla lost her shoe. Apparently I can blame others for my unsociable illegal behaviour if someone said something I disagree with. (Oh, hang on, no I can’t, I’m a Christian) I’m sure most 5 year olds have more maturity than that. It seems to me that leftists never grow up – it’s always somebody else’s fault, even when you’re feral and have a fuse a micron long.
Well, in the real world, you damage somebody else’s property – you pay. That’s how adults live – accepting responsibility for their own actions.
I hope these people are found and charged and legally compelled to make good the mess they made. It is especially critical to point out that anybody excusing this for any reason whatsoever is equally culpable and an enemy of freedom in Australia. Because what those people are effectively saying by not condemning it is that, given the opportunity, they would do the same thing, or at least, facilitate it by looking away. Either you respect the rule of law, or you don’t.
The measure of how much you support free speech is how much you are actively prepared to give someone you totally disagree with equal opportunity to express their views and enjoy the same protections you would expect. I don’t want to live in an Australia where others get to decide what I can and cannot disagree with, and I’m pretty sure the majority of Australians don’t either.
The lack of condemnation from the activists and lame attempts to shift the blame says it all. These people want to control what you say and do or you will be punished for not agreeing with them 100%. I’m curious to see what some of our political representatives will say if they are asked about this. Anything less that an adult response is highly irresponsible and would make me question the principles by which that person works by.
If you love freedom in Australia – even if you disagree with Reverend Copland – there is only one response to this that proves you do.
Mark Rabich
Thanks Mark
Yes this is perhaps the most bizarre bit of the whole thing: the homosexual activists are actually claiming it is the church’s fault that it was attacked. You might as well say that it is the woman’s fault when she is raped. (Well, come to think of it, that is often how Muslims argue.) So any attack is justified. This sort of morality comes straight out of Marx and the Communists. Anything for the cause.
What this really is, is a genuine case of a hate crime. The militants hate the church and attack accordingly. So why are our vilification and discrimination tribunals not prosecuting this as a case of hate crime?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I’m surprised you religious people don’t understand the sound arguments in favour of same-sex marriage. Let me repeat them.
First, proponents call all those who disagree with you, however polite and loving you are, homophobes and bigots. Secondly, they constantly use the slogan “marriage equality”, but are very careful not say how that is an argument. That would only confuse you. You have to take their word that gay marriage is essentially the same as and equal to traditional marriage.
Finally, when you say that males and females are obviously physically different when it comes to sexual endowment they laugh at you and say “Now you’re showing you’re obsessed with sex. What does that have to do with it?”
Why aren’t you all convinced?
David Morrison
Yes quite right David.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Yes, under the stupid definition of a ‘hate crime’, maybe. But I’m never going to endorse that as there are at least two fundamental flaws of the ‘hate crime/speech’ concept.
First of all someone has to define what is ‘hate’, and that is usually those in power. That immediately makes it open to a serious level of abuse. A good question to ask the proponents of the concept how they would feel if Christians got to define what is called ‘hate’ and what isn’t. The concept is really a way of abusing power so that the free speech they disagree with can be chilled under a smokescreen of making society more ‘peaceful’.
And then, laws against all violent acts already exist. Assault, rape, murder, vandalism, etc. ‘Hate’ is utterly useless except for two things – it makes more money for those who work in the legal system and it divides the community. What the ‘hate’ concept does is mean that identical crimes are punished unequally if one victim falls within a protected group and another one does not. I’m no legal eagle, but I would’ve thought that this is in clear defiance to the bedrock principle that the law needs to apply without fear or favour. Justice is meant to be blind. I’ve no doubt some ‘experts’ will tell me the concept is needed. Of cour$e, I have my $u$picion$ why they will think it’$ ju$t $uper.
Grown ups realise that not everybody is going to agree with them, and they go on with their lives regardless. And real incitement to commit crimes (eg. “Go and trash that house because we disagree with that person”) is pretty easy to identify. Every law in Australia that has this nefarious concept of ‘hate’ on the books needs to be scrubbed yesterday. The irony is that it actually creates more of what it purports to be against.
Mark Rabich
Bill, it was good to meet you at the conference a couple of weeks ago. Excellent comment here about the intolerance of those who preach tolerance.
The homosexual lobby give the game away by one of the final lines in that website article:
“This is a debate that we need to win, legalise Same Sex marriage, and we condone these attacks on churches that preach a pro-marriage, pro-family position.”
I thought they were arguing for ‘same-sex marriage’ but they are condoning attacks on pro-marriage institutions. If one truly believes in marriage, one does not attack people who are pro-marriage.
Paul McCormack
Yes I agree Mark. Hate crimes laws are ridiculous, as I write elsewhere: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/
The point is, if the powers that be are really concerned about such hate crimes, then this is a perfect case of it. Why are they not going after these guys?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Thanks Paul
Yes that is a very revealing quote indeed. They have declared war on the church.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Send encouragements to Wallsend Presbyterian Church:
http://wallsendpresbyterian.blogspot.com.au/p/contact-us.html
Their forum could probably use some help too, it’s attracted all the wrong crowd:
http://wallsend-presbyterian-church-forum.944116.n3.nabble.com/
Mark Wong
Many thanks for that Mark.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Its slowly becoming cooler and more progressive to be a Christian than either a homosexual, green or socialist!
Hate will always destroy that which contains it.
Pete Needham
Quite right Pete
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
There’s a Senate Inquiry into marriage going on: http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/marriage_equality_2012/info.htm
All marriage defenders (as a union between a man and a woman) should influence it.
Mark Wong
Yes quite right Mark. We all need to put in a submission, no matter how brief.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I was re-reading Romans 1 yesterday. Verses 29-32 sums it up!
Alison Stanley
Thank you for the link to the Wallsend church website, Mark. I sent them an e-mail.
Thanks for your blog, Bill. I listen to you on Vision radio and am buoyed by your courage in the face of some pretty hateful oppostion. You are often in my prayers. God bless you and yours today.
Christina Charles
Many thanks indeed Christina. And well done for getting involved in this issues. Bless you.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
G’day Bill,
Actually I thought Ian’s sign was witty and clever, even funny. I’m going to pour scorn on them on Sunday in my ‘Couldn’t Help Noticing’ segment our service as humourless philistines, wowsers who can’t take a joke.
Andrew Campbell
Wagga Wagga Presbyterian Church
Quite right Andrew.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch