Evangelical Supporters of Sexual Assault

Yes that title is right. So much of the church of Jesus Christ today is so far down in the gutter that we actually have those who claim to be disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ seeking to excuse and minimise sexual abuse. Sure, they would say that generally speaking they are not all that thrilled with it, but when their fav politician Donald Trump is involved, then it must be tolerated and defended at all costs.

trump-111After all, he is going to make America great again, in which case, anything goes. ‘Forget all that old religious stuff and all that talk about morality, godliness and righteousness. That sure ain’t gonna save America – but our boy Trump sure will!’

My friends, sometimes I get so angry at the satanic deception running rife in our churches, that I feel utterly overwhelmed with grief and bewilderment that believers can be so utterly devoid of any biblical discernment. It is sickening to see this. They are morally and mentally cripples.

I just stumbled upon one clear example of this on a social media site. I noticed a Christian had posted something about the sickening revelation of Trump’s filthy heart and lips. It was by an American pastor Jim Garlow. Now Garlow has been shamelessly shilling for Donald Trump for quite some time now.

But when I read this idiotic piece by him I realised that the church is pretty well finished in America. When you have “Christian pastors” saying such unbiblical and moronic stuff, we are pretty much toast. Forget the Bible and God – anything goes in the evangelical Trump world it seems. Here is his piece:

I was so repulsed by what Trump said on that tape, that I – along with many others – grabbed a rock to stone him. But then Jesus walked by & said “whoever is without sin, cast the first stone.” Then I remembered that I had experienced anger. (Jesus called that murder.) I remembered that I had experienced lust. (Jesus called that adultery.) I remembered that I had been self-centered at times when I should have cared more for the poor, the disenfranchised, the widows & the orphans. (The Bible commands us to die to self & care for others.) Jesus calls all of this sin. So I dropped my stone & quietly slipped away. But don’t worry. Apparently, there were plenty of perfect people around to throw stones. And if they kill Trump, we will then have “King Herod.” And (s)he will kill all the (preborn) babies. Literally.
Pastor Jim Garlow

Oh good grief. Stuff like this absolutely makes me sick. What is wrong with this guy? Is Trump so high up in his list of pagan deities that we just chuck out everything the Bible says about sin, unrighteousness and godlessness? Is that where so much of American evangelicalism is at today? If so I want absolutely nothing to do with it – it comes straight out of the pits of hell.

I have already written about this damnable moral relativism that now reigns supreme in so many evangelical circles. Instead of hating sin and loving righteousness, we love sin, or at least make plenty of excuses for it and seek to condone it. Especially when it has to do with our favourite human messiah.

And in case anyone foolishly thinks this is all a storm in a teacup over mere words uttered by Trump in the distant past, think again. As my good friend Ed in Holland has said, this is not just about words:

I think it is important to be clear what the current controversy around Donald Trump is about. It is NOT that he said vulgar things about women, as many of his supporters are saying, including some of my friends. Rather, he boasted of sexually assaulting women. This was not just vulgar speech. And his books make clear that this is simply his lifestyle. As vulgar speech it would have been appalling. This is so much worse!

Yet here we have this “pastor” defending Trump and making ridiculous excuses for this awful sin. “Hey, we are all sinners, so who am I to complain!” “Hey, Hitler may have slaughtered six million Jews, but who am I to point the finger – after all I have hated people too. So I dare not be a Pharisee here and condemn Hitler.”

“Hey, I may not personally like rape, but I have no right to complain about it or let people know it is wrong. After all. No one’s perfect!” “If I see a fiendish gang torturing a child, yes I might at first get upset about this but thankfully I will remember that I am not without sin, so no way can I condemn this. That would make me a hypocrite.”

Yes folks that is just what this person is basically saying. It stinks to high heaven. He is a moral relativist, just as bad as Hugh Hefner or Peter Singer. There is no difference here at all – ‘I mean come on, we gotta get this guy elected don’t you know? That is all that really matters!”

The only thing worse than this bit of humanistic, pagan mush was the response by the friends of the guy who posted it. They were all drooling over him. We read things like this: “Yes, right on!” “I’m so blessed by your posts!!” “I see reformation coming in his life. I feel that God has reassured me of the decision I am to make.” “Oh this is GOOD!” “Love it!”

This makes my head and heart hurt so much. Thankfully there are many evangelicals who have not sold out to moral relativism, pragmatism, utilitarianism, and the false god Trump. Many were very vocal in condemning Trump for his despicable remarks (and actions), and rightly took to task all the evangelicals who made excuses for this.

Let me single out two of the many excellent pieces that have appeared in the past few days, rightly ripping into the moral relativists, faux evangelicals, and Trump defenders. The first is Joe Carter who asks, “Why Are So Many Evangelicals Condoning Sexual Assault?” He writes:

It’s Abuse, Not ‘Locker Room Banter’
Let’s be clear on what they are defending. The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission defines sexual harassment as unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature. When the harassment becomes physical it becomes sexual assault, which the U.S. Justice Department defines as any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Harassment can include activities such as a business owner walking in on female underlings while they are naked and discussing in front of female employees which ones he’d like to have sex with (and asking other men in the room which ones they’d like to have sex with). Harrassment becomes assault when it includes forcible kissing, groping, or grabbing a person’s genitals without her consent.
Bragging about engaging in such behavior is equally loathsome, and a forced, perfunctory non-apology apology (“. . . I apologize if anyone was offended . . .”) is an inadequate response to such a candid, venal confession. Dismissing it as “locker room banter” is also a defective response, and offensive both to the millions of men who are disgusted by gleeful admissions of molestation and also to the women who suffer such indignities.

He looks at the secular philosophy known as utilitarianism and its exponents such as Singer.

You Don’t Promote the Good By Condoning Evil
The implications of such reasoning are horrifying. How can any young college student trust she will be safe on campus when the staff, administrators, or even the university president shrugs away admissions of sexual assault by saying “We’re all sinners”? How can any woman trust a pastor will sympathize with her story of abuse when he is willing to allow powerful men to get away with similar acts? And how can anyone consider them knowledgeable about faithful Christian living when they have a lower standard of behavior and accountability than many modern pagans do?
This is neither a new phenomenon nor one limited to a subset of politically motivated Christians—it’s both universal and persistent. Since the time of Adam and Eve, each and every one of us has attempted to rationalize our sin (Gen. 3:12–13). Rarely do we do so because we’re seeking to do evil. Instead, we rationalize our sin because we’re seeking a good outcome. We are what you might call natural-born preference utilitarians.

He concludes:

We don’t have to choose to go down that wicked path. We can reject such utilitarian calculations because we can trust God is sovereign. We ought to abandon such preferential reasoning since we have been called to protect the vulnerable. We must not endorse a precedent of turning a blind eye to evil and abuse. The God who sees all will judge us harshly for taking the side of the wicked over the innocent (Ps. 82).
But more importantly, followers of Christ must abandon Singerian ethics and Machiavellian power politics because it brings dishonor to the name of Jesus. Bringing shame on our fellow Christians is regrettable; bringing shame on our holy God is inexcusable.

Another must read piece is Julie Roys’ excellent article, “Evangelical Trump Defenders Are Destroying the Church’s Witness”. She begins:

I never thought I’d see the day when leading evangelicals would publicly espouse that character doesn’t matter — and that promoting sexual assault is simply “bad boy talk.” Yet, that’s precisely what’s happening in the wake of a newly released video showing Donald Trump gloating over his sexual exploits with married women. I honestly don’t know what makes me more sick. Listening to Trump brag about groping women or listening to my fellow evangelicals defend him. Don’t get me wrong. I get how disastrous a Clinton presidency would be.

She continues:

So, let’s stop claiming a moral high ground in this election. There is none. These are the two most morally depraved, power-hungry, and unfit candidates ever to win the Democratic and Republican Party nominations. They are a reflection of the moral bankruptcy of our nation. And, rather than waving a party flag, every honest person of faith should be mourning the truly pathetic state of our union. Which brings me to my evangelical brothers and sisters . . .
Please stop defending and promoting Donald Trump!
If you feel you must vote for him to prevent a Clinton presidency, then go ahead, plug your nose and vote. But please, don’t argue like Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition that “a 10-year-old tape of a private conversation” should “rank low” on our “hierarchy of concerns.” Seriously? Character doesn’t matter?
Is that really the argument Reed wants to make, especially given that 18 years ago, he urged Christians not to vote for Bill Clinton based on character? “We care about the conduct of our leaders,” Reed said then, “and we will not rest until we have leaders of good moral character.” My, how our standards have plummeted.
Evangelicals also need to stop minimizing the horror of what Trump said and did. I was stunned to read a tweet by David Brody, Chief Political Correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network: “This just in: Donald Trump is a flawed man! We ALL sin every single day. What if we had a ‘hot mic’ around each one of us all the time?”
What exactly is Brody saying? Trump’s comments are normal for professing Christians? The only difference between him and us is that he was mic’ed? Seriously? Most non-Christians I know were shocked by Trump’s talk and behavior. What does it say when Christians are not?

One last quote from her terrific piece:

How on earth can evangelicals maintain any moral platform from which to speak out against abortion and gay marriage if we’re going to dismiss and normalize adultery and sexual assault?
The evangelical hypocrisy meter is redlining right now — and the world, as well as our own children, are taking note. A former student I knew when I was in youth ministry posted to Facebook on Friday: “Nothing says pro-life like sexual assault as a lifestyle. Enjoy his SCOTUS picks, values voters.” I hate to say it, but we deserve that.
I know some of you will argue that we’re not picking a pastor-in-chief; we’re picking a commander-in-chief. Robert Jeffress, pastor of a Baptist church in Dallas with a congregation of about 12,000 people, said as much in an article published in The Daily Beast. “I would not necessarily choose this man to be my child’s Sunday School teacher,” he said. “But that’s not what this election is about.”
Again, let’s think about what we’re saying. It’s okay for everyday people to participate in sexual immorality — just not pastors and Sunday School teachers? If this is the standard we uphold, we should not be surprised when our sons and daughters embrace this standard too. Then, when we confront them for sleeping with their girlfriend or boyfriend, they’ll throw this same line back in our face.
In Ephesians 5, Paul clearly states that we should not partner with the “immoral, impure or greedy person — such a person is an idolater.” When we do, we not only lower our standard, but we destroy the church’s witness. I don’t think voting for someone necessarily qualifies as partnering, but certainly stumping for them does.
Recently, Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, tweeted: “The damage done to the gospel this year, by so-called evangelicals, will take longer to recover from than the ’80s TV evangelist scandals.” I fear he’s right.

Yep, we now have a leading contender for the White House whose main claim to fame now is that he is going to make America grope again. A. W.Tozer had it right decades ago when he said this: “I do not think any man can love God unless he hates the devil. I do not think he can love righteousness unless he hates sin.” It seems for many evangelicals today, the key thing is to love a political messiah, and to hell with worrying about sin and unrighteousness.


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35 Replies to “Evangelical Supporters of Sexual Assault”

  1. Hi Bill, another well balanced article on Donald Trump. It would appear from the polls, that most Americans have a loathing for both Trump and Clinton. Come Election Day, Nov. 8th, for most of those that do bother to come out and vote, it will be a question of who do they dislike the least! If Donald Trump does succeed in winning the Presidency, it will have major consequences for us here in Australia as it will for every other country in the world be they America’s allies, or her enemies. The more Christians both in the States and around the world who start praying for Trump the better. It is through Prayer, that Heavenly Father has a legal mandate to get involved in someone’s life. At the height of the American Civil War, Abraham Lincoln was quoted as saying ” many a time I was driven to my knees in prayer because there was no where else to go” (Citation needed). Can we believe that through our prayers, The Mighty Holy Spirit, can transform Donald Trump into a man of prayer? Once again Bill, a major commendation for all the research that you’ve put into preparing this article for posting. Kind regards, Kelvin.

  2. Maybe our prayers should lead us to stay away from ungodly characters like Donald Trump and to refuse to support him and his kind.

  3. Dear Bill, the only consolation I can offer you in your overwhelming grief, is that shortest verse in The Holy Bible: John 11:35. I can hardly bear to imagine how our beloved Lord and Saviour is feeling right now. Keep striving for Him, Bill. We just need more courageous truth seekers like you. Julie Roys should join forces with you and other brave men and women striving for God’s will in this pool of deception, greed, lust, & all the other deadly sins. Light does destroy darkness so keep focussing on the light of Christ to lead you, guide you, inspire you and fill you with His greatest gifts and grace and save you from despair and being overwhelmed. Prayers for you and all our brothers & sisters in Christ.

  4. For what it’s worth I would vote for Trump over Clinton any time — all the time. On this one I can’t follow you Bill. Abortion is an issue on which there is no compromise. Partial birth abortion? Sexual Assault? Is a ‘private’ conversation in a bus sexual assault? Sounds a bit like Protestant purity to me. Where are you going to find someone without sin to run the country? Apologies to Jesus whom I believe asked that question of a sinful woman; so called.

  5. B T, Trump has been pro-abortion all along and has said his pro-abortion sister would make a great SCOTUS judge. I won’t recklessly put all my trust in a lifelong liberal, Democrat supporter and Clinton pal. It is a pity that so many do. I don’t have that much gullibility and blind faith. And you obviously did not even bother to read this article. This was not mere ‘conversation” as you mischievously suggest, but actual sexual assault. That you or any other Christian can condone this tells us why the church is going down the tubes real fast. And if you wish to mock me and deride my concerns for biblical standards of holiness as just “purity” because “winning” is the only thing that matters to you, no matter what, then you are on a far different page than I am, both as a principled conservative and a Christian. And I get too many trolls making foolish claims about perfect candidates running. I don’t expect rational conservatives and Christians to come up with such useless red herrings. All I want running for the GOP is a conservative Republican, not a liberal Democrat. We don’t need two of them running. If you want to shill for this fraud, fine, but take it elsewhere thanks.

  6. What Trump said wasn’t sexual assault. When he was talking he was talking how women will come up to and allow you to do anything to them, if you have money, fame and fortune. What he said wasn’t right, but saying it’s sexual assault is hyperbolic.

  7. Thanks Ian. In one of your earlier comments you quoted Isaiah 5:20: “Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good.” Yet that is exactly what I see happening now as those who claim to be Christians and conservatives seek to make excuses – ANY excuses – for the sexual immorality of Trump. If you had actually read my article, or know anything about Trump, you would know that he boasted about assaulting women on the tape, and has spoken about having multiple affairs in his books. He has zero credibility on this issue. And so do those who claim to be representatives of a holy and righteous God when they seek to defend the indefensible. It is dragging the name of our Lord Jesus Christ through the mud and I will have none of it.

  8. Here’s what he said:
    You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful. . . . I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything . . . grab them by the p***y. You can do anything.

    And here he is on his approach to a married woman:
    I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and f**k her, she was married.


  9. To Ian: Of course Trump will claim he committed no sexual assault and that everything was consensual. That is the way of a rapist because a rapist will interpret the word “NO’ as “YES.” It just goes to show how sick and vile this man really is. I do believe the Supreme Court should intervene and declare him unfit and unqualified for the office of President of the United States. Furthermore, his friendship with Vladimir Putin and his daughter Ivanka’s friendship with Putin’s mistress should be considered acts of treason. How could any sane person vote for a Presidential candidate who admires and associates with any dictator, let alone the leader of America’s arch-enemy, Russia?

  10. Trump is like every other politician, a weather vain, that blows in the direction of whatever the public wants, never what God wants. We go back to Samuel being told by God to allow the people to have a King because they want to be like all the other nations surrounding them and not be led by God.
    One thing for sure is that anyone who thinks that Trump will come over the hill, like the cavalry, to the rescue of Christians who are being marginalized, demonized, fined, imprisoned and having their children taken away and given to gays because they have fallen foul of Pink Law, is clearly living in Never Never Land. The threat to any Nation, greater than Islam, which comes from without, is homosexuality which eats away at the very heart of Nation. And Trump has no quarrel with that at all: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html?_r=0

    Being politically incorrect, which is what endears many voters to Trump, cannot in any way compare with being biblically correct. Being an Alpha male is no guarantee that he will stand by husbands, fathers, young men and boys against the ubber feminists. Just look at Arnold Schwarzenneger. You could not get a more hunky male than that and yet those who put their hope in him defending marriage and family were totally deceived.
    Welcome your own oppression and vote for Trump

    David Skinner UK

  11. Robert Gagnon, the theologian from Pittsburg, the superman of Biblical exegesis on homosexuality finishes one of his articles on Trump by saying this:
    “Friends, there is a story here…… It is the story that Donald Trump is as morally unfit to assume the office of President as any presidential candidate has ever been.”
    Read your Gagnon, I say, read your Gagnon:

    Gagnon gets even better: https://www.facebook.com/robert.a.gagnon.56/posts/10156813058825045
    David Skinner UK

  12. Christians voting for Trump are living in La La Land, crazy turkeys voting for Christmas. If they think the very real persecution of Christians like Lisa Miller and the Mennonite, pastors Kenneth Miller, Timothy Miller, Philip Zodhiates and soon the whole Mennonite community are bad now, wait until Donald Trump gains power. They have seen nothing yet.

  13. And yet more; this time from David Virtue on his site Virtue Online :

    “I don’t want Christianity to be rescued from the brink of extinction by the politics of Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Authentic Christianity in America may well be pushed to the brink of extinction by it, instead. Let it be pushed to the margins. Let Christianity look foolish again, the way the cross ought to look. Let it be small and weak, so it can be powerful again. Let it die, so it may yet come back to life.

    Through the wind, I hear the faint distant crackle and smell the charred air?–?the sound and smell of Rome, burning. Let it burn. Because when it does, the hearts of the faithful will burn with the flame of the Spirit, even and perhaps especially in the pain and disorientation. Then the saccharine sounds of the top 40 can be replaced with the primal, tribal rhythms of exile songs…and we can make soul music, like the Israelites did. The campaign to “make America great again” might mean that the Church can be made strange again. Thanks be to God.

    I do not mean to minimize the reality, that it is a scary time to be an American?–?or to be a woman, or to be black, or to be Muslim, or to be Mexican, or to be Syrian. It is a scary time to live in this world. But it’s a damn exciting time to be a Christian. So to this end, I raise a glass to you, Mr. Trump. Best-case scenario, you may help kill the church in America?–?and it’s the best possible thing you could do to help save us from ourselves.”

    Better that we lose our Nation and lives in this World rather than have our souls thrown into hell for all eternity. God is love and sometime this means he has to deal harshly with us. Let God be God.

    David Skinner UK

  14. Rome’s fall has been on my mind too for a quite a while now and it too gave me hope, that we can and will rise up again.

  15. To David Skinner: Your foresight about the fate of Christianity is so correct! In a previous comment, you meant “weather vane,” but you are so right about any politician’s going with any way the wind blows. There are so few people with principles in this world!

  16. God has chosen us to live at this time in HisStory. In all this evil surrounding us, that threatens to rend us in pieces, take heart saints and courage from Psalm 73. Also Rev 3:4 – God sees those who truly love Him and who are keeping their lives pure; who refuse to go the wide path of degenerate so-called “christians” who are utterly dishonoring our Lord.

  17. Thanks Bill. I deserved that bashing. I need to check my facts. I had it on what I considered good authority that Trump was pro life. As an aside, have you commented on the current Opposition leaders moral fitness to be a future PM in view of the same-sex marriage issue? I apologise for the ‘protestant purity’ crack.

  18. Bill I have read your articles and the comments on upcoming election. and I submit these simplistic questions:-
    1. Is there an alternative candidate left remaining who has a cat’s chance of being elected? Who is it?
    2. If neither Trump nor Clinton is electable, what are the electorate to do? Not vote at all?
    3. But if the electorate do not vote is it not inevitable that given the present condition of America being morally and intellectually adrift, will this not cause the ship to be sucked down into Clinton’s whirlpool?
    I am minded of this passage from C.S. Lewis’ God in the Dock:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

    David Skinner UK

  19. Thanks David. Hopefully some of your questions are answered here: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2016/07/26/5-common-myths-us-elections/

    While many other folks besides these two are running, as to their chances of victory, it all depends on a number of issues, including the grace of God and the prayers of his people. But as I have often said, doing what is right is the first port of call here. Right now things look very bleak indeed in the US. Without God intervening, it looks to be all over.

  20. Thank you Sheila Beers for highlighting the nature and difficulties of the written English language. Here you pick up David Skinner, whom I respect as a scollarly writer, and he yet miss spells “vane” , how do you think I feel as a second language fumbler trying to write sensible comments.
    Thank you Bill for the truth and wisdom of your article. Even after several months of reading your pieces on the US politics, I am still at a loss as to how you would deal with the voting issue as an expatiate. Can American’s really write a name of their choice on the ballot slip. Surely this would make their vote invalid.
    Bill Heggers Bridgetown W.A.

  21. Greetings Minister Bill, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am aware of all you do, by making problems in society and Church available to your readers. Reader’s of Culture Watch, I would implore you, as a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ, to pray about the issues that Minister Bill Muehlenberg investigates. We are recipients of CultureWatch, As Christians, we are supposed to be dead to sin, and alive to God. We are not supposed to submit to the sinful nature. We are to submit to God, resist the devil, and God’s word say’s…… and he will flee from you. But when one’s flesh chooses to submit to the sinful, they are actually resisting God. God’s GRACE is not to be lightly taken! God resist’s the proud but gives grace unto the humble. As a Christian “CHRISTIAN” not in name but in action, here I speak about one who is actually Christ like.
    1 John 3 New Revised Standard Version

    3 1 See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God; and that is what we are. The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we will be has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is. 3 And all who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

    4 Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God. 10 The children of God and the children of the devil are revealed in this way: all who do not do what is right are not from God, nor are those who do not love their brothers and sisters.
    Who we are to side with is God, one must not surrender to the will of the devil. One as a Christian, must have loyalty unto the one who saved them. God is not the one who must change, His word is not the one that has to change! It’s us that must line up with God, and do his will. Look unto John 8:31-36. WE MUST ABIDE IN HIM AND HIS WORD. I implore you Christians to rise up and pray.

  22. I have been involved with very flawed Ministers of the Lord Jesus Christ, When these men fail, the eyes of the world see what is happening. God desires all mankind to turn in their hearts to Him. Repentance is what God desires! Repentance is not just being sorry! It’s godly sorrow that produces repentance. God desires all men to repent, but when men of God fail to preach repentance they fail to see the produce of repentance.
    1 Peter 4 New Revised Standard Version
    Good Stewards of God’s Grace
    4 Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same intention (for whoever has suffered in the flesh has finished with sin), 2 so as to live for the rest of your earthly life no longer by human desires but by the will of God. 3 You have already spent enough time in doing what the Gentiles like to do, living in licentiousness, passions, drunkenness, revels, carousing, and lawless idolatry. 4 They are surprised that you no longer join them in the same excesses of dissipation, and so they blaspheme. 5 But they will have to give an accounting to him who stands ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

    7 The end of all things is near; therefore be serious and discipline yourselves for the sake of your prayers. 8 Above all, maintain constant love for one another, for love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Be hospitable to one another without complaining. 10 Like good stewards of the manifold grace of God, serve one another with whatever gift each of you has received. 11 Whoever speaks must do so as one speaking the very words of God; whoever serves must do so with the strength that God supplies, so that God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

    Suffering as a Christian
    12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that is taking place among you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you are sharing Christ’s sufferings, so that you may also be glad and shout for joy when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the spirit of glory, which is the Spirit of God, is resting on you. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, a criminal, or even as a mischief maker. 16 Yet if any of you suffers as a Christian, do not consider it a disgrace, but glorify God because you bear this name. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; if it begins with us, what will be the end for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And

    “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
    what will become of the ungodly and the sinners?”
    19 Therefore, let those suffering in accordance with God’s will entrust themselves to a faithful Creator, while continuing to do good.

    Like I have said, I have seen men who proclaim they are of God, but they are not concerned about God or His Church, but are full of deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. I know that men of God have proclaimed godliness while seducing others for financial gain, or even for sexual pleasure, or even the lust for power. People of God, stand firm in your faith.

  23. Wihelmus Heggers, I am sorry if I have given the impression that I am a “scholarly” writer. I am certainly no academic. As for my misspelling, nonsequiturs etc.,etc., at least, as Bill has noticed, it identifies me as the writer, as opposed to someone trying to pretend to be me.
    Regarding my quote above of C.S. Lewis, “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies…..” I also found this Youtube which immediately sets up a conflict in my mind.

    Should a Christian be thinking like this, bearing in mind King Alfred, the Magna Carta Barons, Queen Elizabeth 1st, Oliver Cromwell, the founding fathers of America and Winston Churchill, who all defending liberty against the forces of oppression. Was democracy ever founded by democracy or did it arise with a little help from martial vigor and muscle?
    David Skinner UK

  24. Thanks Mick. The 10-4 briefing has nothing on Hillary. The 10-14 one does – is that the one you meant? I generally quite like Mohler, and he has been strong on this. See eg:


    His closing words are these:

    The marriage of convenience is over, at least for now. Perhaps the best we can hope for in this sad election cycle with these two unsupportable candidates is that we do not allow a national disgrace to become the Great Evangelical Embarrassment.

  25. The whole of Western civilization is being squeezed between Marxism and fascism.
    Hilary Clinton is a Marxist . Trump is a fascist .

    Both are intent on raping America on an industrial scale. Unless the Americans find a leader with moral fibre and martial vigor, outside a political system that has become as corrupt as anything seen in history, they must agree to handing over their sons and daughters to be sodomized in the bath rooms, showers, classrooms – wherever the LGBTs “live, move and have their being”.

    Whenever people have repented and cried out to God, He has raised up Godly military leaders to mobilize and rescue them.
    Anarchy is fast approaching. It is unavoidable. There is no where to run and hide. It is time for the people to unite and organize themselves now into mass resistance groups.

    Michael Swift wrote the Gay Manifesto in 1987. What then seemed to be the ravings of lunatic are now reality :

    This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.

    We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

    Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

    All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

    All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

    If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

    We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

    Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

    We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

    There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

    We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

    The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

    All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

    The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

    We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

    We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

    Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

    David Skinner UK

  26. To Wilhelmus Heggers: I appreciate your thoughts, and I do realize the thoughts ARE what counts when you express yourself. I thought it was a bit humorous when David Skinner used the spelling of “vain” since Mr. Trump is a rather vain man and since “weather vane” was what Mr. Skinner actually meant. I made a career of helping Americans, foreign exchange students, and foreign doctors improve their English, so I do hope you appreciate my efforts to be helpful.

  27. Absolutely true. Every generation proves that man is not only evil, but becoming more evil and degenerate with each generation. May God have mercy.

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