Just hours after the tragedy in Orlando where 50 young people were gunned down by a devout Muslim, the excuses have been pouring in by all the usual suspects. Every lousy excuse one can dream up has been heard – everything except the simple truth.
Instead of calling this what it is – an Islamic hate crime and jihad attack – the secular left elites from Obama on down have made every stupid excuse in the book for this deplorable act: it of course has nothing to do with Islam, and somehow Americans and “Islamophobia” and guns are really to blame.
These appalling excuses are as predictable as they are reprehensible. And this happens every single time Islam shows its true colours. So many idiotic things have already been said about this that all I can do is list some of the real doozies here. And the list will be dated by the time I post this. But here are just a few:
-NBC’s “Meet The Press,” national correspondent Joy Reid said that the core issue was about “how easy it is to get a gun.” Um no, Joy. The core issue is about how easy it is for devout Muslims to freely do their thing in America and how clowns like her and Obummer facilitate all this.
-Steven Thrasher of the Guardian said: “Let’s not give in to fear after the Orlando shooting.” Yeah right. If a Christian had done this, every church in the country would be now targeted and all Christians feared to be terrorists. But because a Muslim did it, we must make excuses and exonerate Islam at all costs.
-American Civil Liberties Union attorney Chase Strangio said that Christian conservatives are responsible for the mass shooting at the homosexual bar because they “created this anti-queer climate.” OK, makes lotta sense. Christians who want to protect marriage and family, and care about the wellbeing of children, are now those directly responsible for pulling the trigger on Sunday. Sure, I can see that.
-Obama and the Democrats are already seeking even more gun control because of this attack. Um, what is needed instead is a whole lot more Islam control. But Obama and the Dems will never take that stance – they can’t, they are fully in bed with Islam.
-Florida officials have invited a Muslim cleric to speak to the media in order “to preempt a possible backlash against the Muslim community”. Maybe if we saw mass protests on the streets by “moderate” Muslims condemning all Islamic violence and jihad, we would be a bit less fearful. But I sure don’t see that happening anywhere.
-The father of the Orlando jihadist Omar Mateen said that the attack “had nothing to do with religion”. Sure, I believe you. You might as well argue that air has nothing to do with breathing. You might as well argue that the Nazis had nothing to do with anti-Semitism.
-Homosexual celebrity, Perez Hilton tweeted this: “If you do not support #GunReformNOW in America, then please unfollow me and block me and continue enabling murderers! YOU SICK F**KS!!!!” Yep, forget the real culprit, Islam, and just talk about guns again. Makes perfect sense.
-Florida Senator Geraldine Thompson blamed the deaths on gun shows. Oh really? Millions of law abiding Americans attend gun shows all the time and manage never to kill anyone. But a member of the political ideology known as Islam shoots up an entire nightclub, and somehow gun shows are to blame – and Islam has nothing to do with it.
Thankfully not everyone is a hyper-left moonbeam on this issue. There are some voices of sanity which are struggling to be heard here. So let me finish with a few of them. Senator Ted Cruz for example issued a statement which reads in part:
Our nation is at war. From 9/11 to the Boston Marathon, from Fort Hood to Chattanooga, from San Bernardino to last night’s horrific attack in Orlando, radical Islamic terrorism has declared jihad on America… Our hearts go out to those killed and wounded last night. Our prayers are with their families, and with all their grieving loved ones. It is a time for action. We need a Commander in Chief who will speak the truth, and who will unleash the full force and fury of the American military to utterly destroy ISIS and its affiliates. We need to pass the Expatriate Terrorist Act, so that known ISIS terrorists cannot use U.S. passports to return to America and wage jihad. We need a President who is serious – who will identify the enemy by name and do everything necessary to defeat it. The next few days will be sadly predictable. Democrats will try to use this attack to change the subject. As a matter of rigid ideology, far too many Democrats – from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton – will refuse to utter the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ They will claim this attack, like they claimed every previous attack, was isolated and had nothing to do with the vicious Islamist theology that is daily waging war on us across the globe. And they will try to exploit this terror attack to undermine the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding Americans. Enough is enough. What we need is for every American – Democrat and Republican – to come together, abandon political correctness, and unite in defeating radical Islamic terrorism…. Today, all of America stands in solidarity with the people of Orlando. All of us should lift them up in prayer, demand action, and if you have any information about the Orlando shooter or potential radical Islamic terror plots, please act to keep us safe by using the FBI tips website: https://tips.fbi.gov.
As to the foolishness about more gun control somehow solving all our problems, a helpful piece by Dr Michael Hurd has just appeared. Let me offer its closing paragraphs:
When a drunk driver kills an innocent pedestrian, we don’t call it a “car-related” tragedy. We call it a drunk driving tragedy. Yet with gun-related violence, we fixate on the weapon and completely ignore all other factors (particularly when the shooter is Muslim). It makes total sense that progressives are pro-gun control. Progressives are the ones who find a government solution for everything. “There ought to be a law” is their solution to any conceivable problem. If Freud were alive, he’d call it a wish-fulfilment mechanism. I call it magical thinking. It’s all fantasy. It’s a fantasy that some authority figure will somehow take care of us, against all reason, regardless of any known facts. They actually think that if you pass a law making guns illegal, it will stop people who wish to do evil and destructive things from doing those things. “Government has the power to stop it by fulfilling my wish.” Some cherished political hack signs a law in the Rose Garden of the White House, and magically, all is well. (Just like Obamacare, right?) But these are the same people who believe that government can create a vibrant economy, generate first-rate medical care out of nothing, and provide utopia on earth at no effort (except to the hated 1 percent, and they have no rights, anyway). Progressives who inhabit our media, executive and judicial establishment are wrong about virtually everything. Why on earth should we listen to them about guns? Blaming criminal actions on guns is like blaming financial crimes on money – “If there were no money, financial crimes would not be possible.” Actually, socialists like Bernie Sanders already kind of believe that. Or blaming hateful atrocities (like Nazi Germany, or shoot ups in discos) on the existence of oxygen – “If people could not breathe, we would not have the space in which to do these things.” Actually, the most extreme environmentalists already believe human beings are a blight on the planet. These are not the kind of people from whom we should seek guidance on how to combat crime. I am sick of the lecturing and sermonizing of anti-gun zealots. “Oh, I hate guns,” they say, with sneering and condescending superiority. The implication is that to hate guns is to hate the kind of violence we too often see take place. What rational person could not detest that horrific violence? But the issue is not guns; the issue is in whose hands the guns are located. The peaceful people who own guns for self-defense are not causing this violence. The people who will continue to commit acts of violence or terrorism will continue to do so, whether we confiscate the guns from peace-loving people, or not. Stop exploiting the slaughtered, you high priests and priestesses of gun bans. Stop insisting that the only way to stop these things from happening is to repeal the First and Second Amendments. Even if that were true, it would not be worth it to live in a world with no liberty. Totalitarian dictatorships are dull, gray, depressing places. Far more innocent people die in dictatorships than in free countries, or even semi-free countries such as our own. Terrorists are pushing Americans to give up on individual rights and freedom, to throw away a precious legacy so few in human history have ever enjoyed. If we bow our heads and give in, then that’s on us – not the terrorists.
As I say, just as soon as I post this article, it will already be outdated, because many more lunatic comments will be made about this tragic shooting. It is now all so predictable. Thus I for one will seek to present an alternative point of view.
And in this case it is quite simple and straight forward: this was yet another act of Islamic jihad. It was an Islamic hate crime fully based on everything Islam believes in and stands for. Until we deal with the root cause – Islam itself – we will never win the war on Islamic terror.
Of course most of our leaders refuse to do this. They refuse to even mention the “I” word or the “M” word. Therefore they are just as much a part of the problem as are the jihadists.
21 Replies to “Orlando and Islam: The Lousy Excuses Pour In”
Spiked Editor Brendan O’Neill wrote –
Blaming guns for the Orlando massacre is as mad as blaming aeroplanes for 9/11. An obsession with the technical means of murder in preference to confronting the ideology behind it.
It is the “M”and the “I” word.
They are all working together the moderates and the radicals. Working together in the similar notion that the body of Christ works. Some are the hand some the foot. A hand doesn’t do the same as the hand but surely as might follows day- yep the same Jihad.
Guns:
I wonder if Obama will disarm his security? Hmmm NO
Illegal Immigrants:
I wonder if Obama will leave the White House gates unprotected- like just open for all and sundry to come and go?? Hmmmmm No
Our response:
Seek His kingdom. None know the day or the hour which will be our last.
Be very humble. All things are under His control. God is in control (seems like He isn’t at times) He knows what He is doing as far as drawing souls to Himself.
Pray for the souls which will be save due to this event. Pray that Christians will be available to support.
Thanks Bill,
Great article, great quotes – why is it that so many people are afraid of the truth and cannot speak it? How is it that ‘post-modern thought’ has taken such a grip on the West that it really threatens to completely do away with what we all once understood to be common sense?
Scary times ahead – seriously.
In his statement, Ted Cruz sounds like more of leader than Donald Trump on this issue, but that’s another story.
Yes Ross, he is a million times more of a leader than the charlatan Trump.
Another Brendan O’Neill quote (not that I agree with it entirely, but I do agree with the spirit of it) – Imagine if people responded to the Orlando massacre by saying: “Well, these people were doing stuff that they *know* is offensive to Islam. They were being perverted. They used their freedom to do irreligious things. They can’t be surprised by what’s happened to them. Maybe now such people will tone down their behaviour.”
Because that is exactly how every wet, pretend liberal from the Guardian to those flouncing American PEN crybabies responded to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. To my mind, it’s as outrageous to say “Charlie Hebdo brought the attack on itself by stupidly being racist” as it is to say “these men brought this attack on themselves by stupidly attending a public gay club”. Perhaps now the apologism for barbarism will stop, and we’ll defend people’s right to *do what they want*.
Phil Haney, prophetic brother and former counter-terrorist expert shut down by the Obama administration whom I have mentioned elsewhere gets it! This is what he said in a toast to the US Constitution in a small gathering of patriotic Americans talking about the dangers facing America from within. It took place at a steak house in Washington. Present included Ted Cruz, Sean Hannity former house speaker, Newt Gingrich, Mark Levin and Duck dynasty’s, Willie Robertson. It really bears repeating.
” The dogma’s of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”
Abraham Lincoln’s address Dec 1. 1862 message to Congress. The key word is ‘disinthrall”
If Haney’s investigations and expertise had been heeded and not shut down, most likely the San Bernadino massacre would not have happened and maybe the Boston Marathon bombing as well, or the planner caught and imprisoned instead of being allowed to leave the country.
Even the latest terrorist in Florida may have been properly identified because of who he mixed with and what mosque he went to.
Now of course the finger points at the weapon and even the Christians who speak out, everywhere but to the truth! Unbelievable!!!
This is another huge wake-up call to America!
I do agree that the Muslim who committed this mass murder has done something terribly wrong. I also agree that radical Islamic beliefs (which are in accordance with the Qur’an) also instructs its followers to do this.
That said, the Government can start by identifying the ideology behind this reprehensible shooting, as well as identifying the reprehensible worldview that is producing a holocaust of abortions.
Now I am reluctant for the Government to be involved in every solution for reasons already given here. I think we would all agree that outlawing abortions would produce a start as abortion providers still respect the law (mostly). With Muslims, what would God, who instituted Government, think is wise for the Government to do? I think it needs a study of Scripture first before I run ahead with any simplistic thinking. Banning an act, i.e. abortion, is easy to do in law, as is murder. But banning murder doesn’t solve the tendency of the heart to be wicked. But I think at a societal level we need to turn back to Jesus and the Scriptures. We, the body of Christ, can show both Muslims and homosexuals that they are also created in God’s image and can be set free, by the power of the Holy Spirit, from the demonic forces and sin that inhabits their lives. Please don’t think I am for one moment suggesting that the homosexuals deserved to die in this way: each person on this planet will die one day in one way or another and then face the Judgment. That is what matters, even if the way they died here is morally and absolutely wrong.
I am also trying not to sit in judgment on the entire Body of Christ here and suggest that we are not doing the above. I am also not suggesting that Christians are to blame for this massacre although I do agree on stating clearly what is dangerous ideology in this situation whether it comes from Christians or others – that has been done already here in this blog.
I am sad for the Muslim who was killed and for every one of the people in the homosexual bar who were also killed; it saddens me to think they have all gone to face their own judgment that Jesus warned about and is far more serious. It is a weight on my heart.
Thank you Bill for highlighting all the mealy mouthed comments made by the MSM and Democrats with gutless speeches about blame assigned to guns. Here we have all the evidence needed to point to the evil source of this crime and terrorism in the world today, and yet the supreme leader of the free world refuses to identify Islam as the course of the bulk of fear in the world today. Obummer is probably single-handedly responsible for the ability these culprits enjoy to freely orchestrate these atrocities. Oh yes, I forgot, after all he is one of them, so what else could one expect?
Bill Heggers
I too, feel sorry for those souls… Scary to think of their fate if they are not born again.
However… Orlando have homosexuals that were killed by a gunman, vigils are held in england, wales, Australia, with rainbow flags, singing…etc.
Charlston have Christians that were killed by a gunman…nothing to that extent done for Christians… Discrimination?
The LGBT group are certainly well looked after these days
What is “violence” in one language passes for “religious zeal” in another. Both the gunman, and at least some of his victims, like Cain, would give God the credit or blame for the blood that cries out from the floors of the Orlando night-club.
It is surely a logical fallacy to blame the instrument used for an evil action instead of blaming the agent who “acted” using the “instrument” to commit a massacre. To parody Mao – Power comes out of the barrel of a gun only when it is in the hands of a willful human marksman.
“Pride”, both “religious” and “sacrilegious” pride, is a deadly sin.
Brendan O’Neill quote again (not bad for an atheist!)
“Talking about Christian opposition to gay marriage in the same breath as the massacre in Orlando is like saying people who don’t like death metal bear some responsibility for the barbarism at the Bataclan. Stop it. It’s so low.”
Bill, while I naturally agree with all you have written above, my question is, “Where to from here?” We see our whole civilisation collapsing around our ears, and doing so in a sea of farce, what with denials about Islam, and multiple genders – all based on the post-modernist fantasy of the feel-good factor. It’s no use moaning about it with endless articles, and leaving it there.
For my part I will pray for individuals, but I fear that society has gone beyond the point of no return. I see our civilization descending into utter madness (Cf. Job 12:23-24), and as with Jeremiah, when God told him, “Do not pray for this people” (Jer 7:16; 11:14; 14:11), I believe that judgment must come. God’s holiness and majesty have been affronted and maligned. However, it will begin in the church, the household of God (1 Pet 4:17), for it is there that the iniquity has begun, and is maintained to this hour.
What now, someone asks? We must prepare to suffer, as Christians have not suffered in the Western world for several centuries. Among others, your task, Bill, is to prepare Christians for life in a very hostile world, and to prepare them for Christ’s coming. Moreover, we need a re-affirmation and renewed emphasis on the Biblical theme of the pilgrim church, as Charles Wesley puts it:
3. We have no abiding city here,
But seek a city out of sight;
Thither our steady course we steer,
Aspiring to the plains of light,
Jerusalem, the saints’ abode,
Whose founder is the living God.
4. Patient the appointed race to run,
This weary world we cast behind;
From strength to strength we travel on
The new Jerusalem to find;
Our labour this, our only aim,
To find the New Jerusalem.
This world is not our home: we can do what good we can while we are here; but that said, we must keep our eye heavenward.
“When you see these things taking place, look up, for your redemption draws near.” (Luke 21:28)
Thanks Murray. I have often asked of late if the West – especially America – is now under the just judgment of God. Various articles have been penned exploring this question, eg:
But because I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, I cannot be fully certain about any of this of course. Thus I seek to do two things until I am led otherwise: keep grieving over what I see happening all around me, and keep fighting all this while I think there is still some reason and some hope to do so. A day may come when that no longer seems the correct course.
Guns are a funny thing – in Australia there is a similar amount of Islamic activism, and we’ve even had some shooting-killings by Islamic-related extremists. Yet we have a different mind-set as regards guns – comparably nil guns in the hands of the public by comparison, and my reading is that the public happily wants to keep it that way. However, there is still a certain amount of “it’s not all Islam, just the extremists”, and I’ve no doubt there is a majority of peaceful, well-meaning adherents – it’s just that the “package” appears to be extricably entangled.
Surely Bill with more gun control potential mass murderers would be less likely to get hold of the weapons they need. I understand the argument that it is people not guns that do the murder, I have used it myself, but I am beginning to feel it is we concervatives who are on the wrong side of the argument. I think John Howard did the correct thing after the Port Arthor massacre.
Thanks Martyn but no, not at all – we are on the right side here. The simple truth is, this homosexual club was another gun-free zone. Had ordinary Americans been allowed to defend themselves there, there would not have been 100-plus casualties. And we know the empirical data totally disproves the anti-gun foolishness. If these folks were right, then places like Switzerland would be the most dangerous nations on earth. And here in Australia we know how bogus the NFA was:
January 2010 La Trobe University
“Abstract: The 1996-1997 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in 1996, where 35 people were killed. Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we reanalyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.”
But gay journalist Owen Jones insists on a TV program that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim. He was instead simply a “knuckle dragging” homophobe. On the program he became so upset that the homophobic motive was being diluted that he storms off the program. My suspicion, however is that he would like it to be found that Omar was Christian so that he could then label all Christians as homophobes. Indeed I have heard in Pink circles that Christians are already being blamed for this – like Nero blaming the burning down on Christians. Indeed they will probably blame Dr Scott Lively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMXxx-EWcY
I think Murray is right.
David Skinner
Sitora Yusufiy, Omar Meteen’s ex wife, said he suffered from bi- polar disorder. Many homosexuals, like Stephen Fry suffer from mental illnesses like this.
It is my belief that Omar was a repressed homosexual who could not resolve the contradiction in his own mind, between the fundamentally homophobic teachings of the kind of fundamentism of Wahhabism and his own proclivities. Like the German Wings pilot, Andreas Lubitz who also fitted the same personality disorders, Omar suffered cognitive dissoance and could only resolve it by destroying himself and as many gays as he could. Like Mohammedanism sodommedanism is a death cult .
Allow the gay professor of sexualities and masculinities at Winchester University, Dr Eric Anderson to spell it out. He explains that it is the closeted gay straight man who in an attempt prove that he is straight becomes extremely macho and violent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3epV2SApAI
Sure enough the Telegraph is saying the same thing. This is a gay man who suffers from internalised homophobia but say that this was yet another gay man killing other gay men will send the gays into paroxysms of rage.
Spiked Editor Brendan O’Neill wrote –
Blaming guns for the Orlando massacre is as mad as blaming aeroplanes for 9/11. An obsession with the technical means of murder in preference to confronting the ideology behind it.
It is the “M”and the “I” word.
They are all working together the moderates and the radicals. Working together in the similar notion that the body of Christ works. Some are the hand some the foot. A hand doesn’t do the same as the hand but surely as might follows day- yep the same Jihad.
Guns:
I wonder if Obama will disarm his security? Hmmm NO
Illegal Immigrants:
I wonder if Obama will leave the White House gates unprotected- like just open for all and sundry to come and go?? Hmmmmm No
Our response:
Seek His kingdom. None know the day or the hour which will be our last.
Be very humble. All things are under His control. God is in control (seems like He isn’t at times) He knows what He is doing as far as drawing souls to Himself.
Pray for the souls which will be save due to this event. Pray that Christians will be available to support.
Thanks Bill,
Great article, great quotes – why is it that so many people are afraid of the truth and cannot speak it? How is it that ‘post-modern thought’ has taken such a grip on the West that it really threatens to completely do away with what we all once understood to be common sense?
Scary times ahead – seriously.
This tweet sums it up…
https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/742176155441057792/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Thanks Alison.
In his statement, Ted Cruz sounds like more of leader than Donald Trump on this issue, but that’s another story.
Yes Ross, he is a million times more of a leader than the charlatan Trump.
Another Brendan O’Neill quote (not that I agree with it entirely, but I do agree with the spirit of it) – Imagine if people responded to the Orlando massacre by saying: “Well, these people were doing stuff that they *know* is offensive to Islam. They were being perverted. They used their freedom to do irreligious things. They can’t be surprised by what’s happened to them. Maybe now such people will tone down their behaviour.”
Because that is exactly how every wet, pretend liberal from the Guardian to those flouncing American PEN crybabies responded to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. To my mind, it’s as outrageous to say “Charlie Hebdo brought the attack on itself by stupidly being racist” as it is to say “these men brought this attack on themselves by stupidly attending a public gay club”. Perhaps now the apologism for barbarism will stop, and we’ll defend people’s right to *do what they want*.
Phil Haney, prophetic brother and former counter-terrorist expert shut down by the Obama administration whom I have mentioned elsewhere gets it! This is what he said in a toast to the US Constitution in a small gathering of patriotic Americans talking about the dangers facing America from within. It took place at a steak house in Washington. Present included Ted Cruz, Sean Hannity former house speaker, Newt Gingrich, Mark Levin and Duck dynasty’s, Willie Robertson. It really bears repeating.
” The dogma’s of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”
Abraham Lincoln’s address Dec 1. 1862 message to Congress. The key word is ‘disinthrall”
If Haney’s investigations and expertise had been heeded and not shut down, most likely the San Bernadino massacre would not have happened and maybe the Boston Marathon bombing as well, or the planner caught and imprisoned instead of being allowed to leave the country.
Even the latest terrorist in Florida may have been properly identified because of who he mixed with and what mosque he went to.
Now of course the finger points at the weapon and even the Christians who speak out, everywhere but to the truth! Unbelievable!!!
This is another huge wake-up call to America!
I do agree that the Muslim who committed this mass murder has done something terribly wrong. I also agree that radical Islamic beliefs (which are in accordance with the Qur’an) also instructs its followers to do this.
That said, the Government can start by identifying the ideology behind this reprehensible shooting, as well as identifying the reprehensible worldview that is producing a holocaust of abortions.
Now I am reluctant for the Government to be involved in every solution for reasons already given here. I think we would all agree that outlawing abortions would produce a start as abortion providers still respect the law (mostly). With Muslims, what would God, who instituted Government, think is wise for the Government to do? I think it needs a study of Scripture first before I run ahead with any simplistic thinking. Banning an act, i.e. abortion, is easy to do in law, as is murder. But banning murder doesn’t solve the tendency of the heart to be wicked. But I think at a societal level we need to turn back to Jesus and the Scriptures. We, the body of Christ, can show both Muslims and homosexuals that they are also created in God’s image and can be set free, by the power of the Holy Spirit, from the demonic forces and sin that inhabits their lives. Please don’t think I am for one moment suggesting that the homosexuals deserved to die in this way: each person on this planet will die one day in one way or another and then face the Judgment. That is what matters, even if the way they died here is morally and absolutely wrong.
I am also trying not to sit in judgment on the entire Body of Christ here and suggest that we are not doing the above. I am also not suggesting that Christians are to blame for this massacre although I do agree on stating clearly what is dangerous ideology in this situation whether it comes from Christians or others – that has been done already here in this blog.
I am sad for the Muslim who was killed and for every one of the people in the homosexual bar who were also killed; it saddens me to think they have all gone to face their own judgment that Jesus warned about and is far more serious. It is a weight on my heart.
Thank you Bill for highlighting all the mealy mouthed comments made by the MSM and Democrats with gutless speeches about blame assigned to guns. Here we have all the evidence needed to point to the evil source of this crime and terrorism in the world today, and yet the supreme leader of the free world refuses to identify Islam as the course of the bulk of fear in the world today. Obummer is probably single-handedly responsible for the ability these culprits enjoy to freely orchestrate these atrocities. Oh yes, I forgot, after all he is one of them, so what else could one expect?
Bill Heggers
I too, feel sorry for those souls… Scary to think of their fate if they are not born again.
However… Orlando have homosexuals that were killed by a gunman, vigils are held in england, wales, Australia, with rainbow flags, singing…etc.
Charlston have Christians that were killed by a gunman…nothing to that extent done for Christians… Discrimination?
The LGBT group are certainly well looked after these days
What is “violence” in one language passes for “religious zeal” in another. Both the gunman, and at least some of his victims, like Cain, would give God the credit or blame for the blood that cries out from the floors of the Orlando night-club.
It is surely a logical fallacy to blame the instrument used for an evil action instead of blaming the agent who “acted” using the “instrument” to commit a massacre. To parody Mao – Power comes out of the barrel of a gun only when it is in the hands of a willful human marksman.
“Pride”, both “religious” and “sacrilegious” pride, is a deadly sin.
Brendan O’Neill quote again (not bad for an atheist!)
“Talking about Christian opposition to gay marriage in the same breath as the massacre in Orlando is like saying people who don’t like death metal bear some responsibility for the barbarism at the Bataclan. Stop it. It’s so low.”
Bill, while I naturally agree with all you have written above, my question is, “Where to from here?” We see our whole civilisation collapsing around our ears, and doing so in a sea of farce, what with denials about Islam, and multiple genders – all based on the post-modernist fantasy of the feel-good factor. It’s no use moaning about it with endless articles, and leaving it there.
For my part I will pray for individuals, but I fear that society has gone beyond the point of no return. I see our civilization descending into utter madness (Cf. Job 12:23-24), and as with Jeremiah, when God told him, “Do not pray for this people” (Jer 7:16; 11:14; 14:11), I believe that judgment must come. God’s holiness and majesty have been affronted and maligned. However, it will begin in the church, the household of God (1 Pet 4:17), for it is there that the iniquity has begun, and is maintained to this hour.
What now, someone asks? We must prepare to suffer, as Christians have not suffered in the Western world for several centuries. Among others, your task, Bill, is to prepare Christians for life in a very hostile world, and to prepare them for Christ’s coming. Moreover, we need a re-affirmation and renewed emphasis on the Biblical theme of the pilgrim church, as Charles Wesley puts it:
3. We have no abiding city here,
But seek a city out of sight;
Thither our steady course we steer,
Aspiring to the plains of light,
Jerusalem, the saints’ abode,
Whose founder is the living God.
4. Patient the appointed race to run,
This weary world we cast behind;
From strength to strength we travel on
The new Jerusalem to find;
Our labour this, our only aim,
To find the New Jerusalem.
This world is not our home: we can do what good we can while we are here; but that said, we must keep our eye heavenward.
“When you see these things taking place, look up, for your redemption draws near.” (Luke 21:28)
Thanks Murray. I have often asked of late if the West – especially America – is now under the just judgment of God. Various articles have been penned exploring this question, eg:
https://billmuehlenberg.com/2016/03/03/judicial-abandonment-when-god-abandons-a-nation/
But because I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, I cannot be fully certain about any of this of course. Thus I seek to do two things until I am led otherwise: keep grieving over what I see happening all around me, and keep fighting all this while I think there is still some reason and some hope to do so. A day may come when that no longer seems the correct course.
Guns are a funny thing – in Australia there is a similar amount of Islamic activism, and we’ve even had some shooting-killings by Islamic-related extremists. Yet we have a different mind-set as regards guns – comparably nil guns in the hands of the public by comparison, and my reading is that the public happily wants to keep it that way. However, there is still a certain amount of “it’s not all Islam, just the extremists”, and I’ve no doubt there is a majority of peaceful, well-meaning adherents – it’s just that the “package” appears to be extricably entangled.
Surely Bill with more gun control potential mass murderers would be less likely to get hold of the weapons they need. I understand the argument that it is people not guns that do the murder, I have used it myself, but I am beginning to feel it is we concervatives who are on the wrong side of the argument. I think John Howard did the correct thing after the Port Arthor massacre.
Thanks Martyn but no, not at all – we are on the right side here. The simple truth is, this homosexual club was another gun-free zone. Had ordinary Americans been allowed to defend themselves there, there would not have been 100-plus casualties. And we know the empirical data totally disproves the anti-gun foolishness. If these folks were right, then places like Switzerland would be the most dangerous nations on earth. And here in Australia we know how bogus the NFA was:
But gay journalist Owen Jones insists on a TV program that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim. He was instead simply a “knuckle dragging” homophobe. On the program he became so upset that the homophobic motive was being diluted that he storms off the program. My suspicion, however is that he would like it to be found that Omar was Christian so that he could then label all Christians as homophobes. Indeed I have heard in Pink circles that Christians are already being blamed for this – like Nero blaming the burning down on Christians. Indeed they will probably blame Dr Scott Lively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMXxx-EWcY
I think Murray is right.
David Skinner
Sitora Yusufiy, Omar Meteen’s ex wife, said he suffered from bi- polar disorder. Many homosexuals, like Stephen Fry suffer from mental illnesses like this.
It is my belief that Omar was a repressed homosexual who could not resolve the contradiction in his own mind, between the fundamentally homophobic teachings of the kind of fundamentism of Wahhabism and his own proclivities. Like the German Wings pilot, Andreas Lubitz who also fitted the same personality disorders, Omar suffered cognitive dissoance and could only resolve it by destroying himself and as many gays as he could. Like Mohammedanism sodommedanism is a death cult .
Allow the gay professor of sexualities and masculinities at Winchester University, Dr Eric Anderson to spell it out. He explains that it is the closeted gay straight man who in an attempt prove that he is straight becomes extremely macho and violent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3epV2SApAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgd9q8ugs4
Sure enough the Telegraph is saying the same thing. This is a gay man who suffers from internalised homophobia but say that this was yet another gay man killing other gay men will send the gays into paroxysms of rage.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/was-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-secretly-gay/
David Skinner UK