Sri Lanka, Christchurch, Islam and Double Standards

Here is something you can bank on: most Western media personnel, politicians, and commentators will overwhelmingly have one standard for Muslims and another for Christians – both in terms of what they do and what is done to them. The double standards here are as odious as they are obvious. And we again have a perfect example of this with the way  Christchurch and Sri Lanka have been handled.

With some 300 people killed and around 500 injured in the Easter Sunday jihad attacks in Sri Lanka, it is worth asking a few hard questions, especially given the earlier shootings in Christchurch. We all know how the world reacted to that tragedy.

Politicians, the media, and our elites all competed with one another as to who could be seen to be the most one with, and supportive of, all things Islam. With the Christchurch killings we had nonstop media coverage. We had Western leaders becoming dhimmis and wearing head coverings and saying Islamic prayers in parliament, and so on. But things seem all rather different when the killings are in fact Islamic jihad attacks and the victims are Christians. MUCH different.

One person commenting on these matters very astutely said this: “There must be some form of manifesto, some form of document which drove those responsible to perform these horrific acts, and to make them believe what they were doing was correct. That document should be restricted or banned to prevent further people from reading it and becoming radicalized through its content.”

Yes exactly. But we dare not mention the K (or Q) word – depending on our English transliteration of the Arabic word for the Koran! People in New Zealand have been banned from having in their possession the Manifesto of gunman Brenton Tarrant, and some have already been arrested for daring to share it online. (Indeed, a Facebook post of mine from over a month ago in which I simply mentioned the Manifesto has resulted in me just recently getting yet another 30-day sentence in the FB Gulag!)

So why not do the very same thing with the Koran, since this Islamic Manifesto has resulted in millions of deaths at the hands of faithful followers of Muhammad and Allah? Indeed, the very life and example of Muhammed which all true Muslims are meant to fully emulate makes it crystal clear as to why we have 1400 years of Islamic bloodshed.

Muhammad himself engaged in numerous religious wars, acts of violent jihad, and bloodletting. Of course while he was in Mecca for 12-13 years he did not resort to violence. But with the refusal of the people to embrace his new religion he was forced to flee to Medina.

It was there that he said Allah revealed to him that he must fight for the faith, and that he did. He led raiding parties, ordered revenge attacks, engaged in the torture and killing of his enemies, and commanded massacres. His last 10 years at Medina cemented his record as a warlord, a man of violence, and a promoter of bloody jihad.

I have documented all this often before, so let me borrow here from one of my earlier pieces on this: All this is fully enjoined in the Islamic holy book as well. I will not here look at what is said about this in the hadiths, but just offer a sampling of passages from the Koran. These suras (chapters) make it quite clear that the devout Muslim must kill for the faith, just as Muhammad did:

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” 3:28
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” 3:85
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” 5:33
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” 8:60
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” 8:65
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” 9:5
“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” 9:28
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” 9:29
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” 9:30
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” 9:123
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” 22:19
“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” 47:4

Thus all these horrific acts of butchery, barbarism, and bloodshed that we just witnessed in Sri Lanka, Nigeria and elsewhere in the past few weeks all come straight out of THAT manifesto – that book – and out of the life and example of Muhammad. Muslims kill today because Muhammad killed – and because they are ordered to do so in the Koran.

Muslims terrorise and slay innocent men, women and children because Muhammad did – and their sacred writings command them to. So who is being the true Muslim here? It is quite clear. The “moderates” are not being true to their own faith and their own heritage. The jihadists are.

That is why we should not be asking the question, “Are there moderate Muslims?” Of course there are. Perhaps the majority of Muslims are. But that is not the issue. The real issue is, “Is Islam itself moderate?” And the answer to that question is, “Absolutely not”.

Islam is not just another religion. It is at heart a political ideology and a cult of death. It brooks no rivals, and its followers are ordered to kill all infidels. Everyone must submit to Allah, or face the sword, or live as dhimmies. There are no other options in Islam.

That is why we must not appease those who have sworn to kill us. We must not compromise with those who have vowed to annihilate us. We need to take seriously the words of those who have pledged to overthrow us – and kill us if need be – all in the name of full submission to Allah.

And what about Sura 5:32?

One final but important note worth mentioning: Whenever another Islamic terror attack takes place, we will always get various Muslim commentators pulling out one Koranic passage. Sura 5:32 says this: “…if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind…”

This is one of the most quoted Koranic verses. It is also one of the most misquoted and twisted texts. It is offered as somehow being the equivalent of the Jewish and Christian commandments about not killing, and loving your neighbour. But it is nothing of the sort. Indeed, the context makes it clear that this is about the people of Israel:

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

One ex-Muslim, Nabeel Qureshi, says this about the text:

Salient points:

1 – It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah’s command to Muhammad’s people.

2 – Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there’s still an escape clause: “unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land.” If someone is “spreading mischief”, he can still be killed. Now let’s think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

As if this weren’t obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur’an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says: “The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.”

This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.

But I won’t hold my breath to see Western leaders joining in full solidarity with slain Christians in Sri Lanka and elsewhere. It just ain’t gonna happen. Double standards anyone? Dhimmitude in action.

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35 Replies to “Sri Lanka, Christchurch, Islam and Double Standards”

  1. Sadly Bill, the people killed or terrorised in the Sri Lanka bombings are Christians and thus the “wrong” kind of “brown people to warrant condemnation.” Unlike those killed and terrorised in New Zealand.

  2. We must open our hearts and our homes to our Brothers and Sisters in Christ who are living among radicalised Muslims.

    Wouldn’t it be great if Mr. Morrison and Mr. Dutton came out and announced if reelected Australia’s refugee program will be changed to give priority to fellow Christians facing persecution and only once we have looked after persecuted Christians then maybe we will consider other people claiming to be refugees.

  3. Hmm, let me see: 12 or so years when “there is no compulsion in religion” then 200 refugees from Mecca sought asylum in Medina where the migrants took over by violence and then returned to Mecca to take over there also and soon conquered the whole of Arabia. Did I get that right? And when does the Islamic calendar start? Did it really start with the end of the peaceful period? But then what is peace and who defines it? Muslim and Christian definitions seem to differ.

  4. You might fill in the outcome for the following scenario:

    An Islamic, rugby footballer, on his personal Facebook page, quotes Quranic verses regarding homosexuality. Say verses 7.81 to 7.84.
    * “For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women . . . we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)”.

    – he also quotes the Hadith, Abu Dawud (4462):
    * “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”

    Rugby, Qantas and the MSM then . . . . .

  5. Despite the attack being on Easter Sunday, and half the targets being churches, it seems like folk might be trying to ignore the fact that many (most?) of the victims are Christian.

    PM Morrison spoke on the subject whilst at a Buddhist Temple saying the majority of Sri Lankans are Buddhist. He went on to say that we are full of love as love conquers fear and evil, that love is the basis of peace, and that love binds all the people of the world together.

    I have no doubt the MSM lapped it up, but it’s clearly not true. The world is unequivocally divided, love is limited, and no basis was given, at least in what was reported, to think people believe in love. Obviously Scripture gives a basis for it, but the MSM don’t want to hear about Christianity.

  6. Right guys this article of Mr M’s, is not just for reading, its for carrying with you at all times. The one thing I would like added to it is to place alongside or underneath the Koran passages any ‘equivalent’ passages in the OT to show the difference between the OT and the Koran

    It is important when demolishing something you have something better to replace it with and to that end, I would also add secular atheist atrocities that make even Islam seem tame. I will print off 5 sheets each Monday and take into school I will need 5 as I will have my prompt sheet confiscated each day but that is just getting a copy into the teacher’s hands. I suppose I could have the bold heading ‘Communist Manifesto’ so a quick gaze by the thought police would be…that’s fine. it isn’t something to be used as a source of conflict it is something to offer my Muslim peers (soon to be my masters if the left has their way) to explain the apparent differences between my God and theirs.

    “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
    “What the OT says”.
    “What the NT says”.
    “What Stalin Polpot and moa said”.

    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” 3:28
    “What the OT says”.
    “What the NT says”.
    “What Stalin Polpot and moa said”.
    There will be no equivalent passages often, and where there is its often Gods command to a certain people at a certain time or its Gods own hand that sends curses to a people that are to receive his wrath.

    It’s extremely important to be ready for- ‘The Bible is as bad’, if you can’t counter that assertion it may as well be in the eyes of the world.

    I would also make the list from the Koran in Bold text so someone’s eyes will be drawn to it.

    Make copies for church members too. This isn’t an article its a tool for your apologetics and evangelism guys.

    We hear much about the presses bias and left- left bias and it seems they just get away with it time after time, well just as Mr M’s article brought some push back this thread is going to offer his contributors a lesson on how to communicate with the press, get comfy, you, Mr M, get out the tray of doughnuts, sit back and enjoy.

    Miss’s Molly and Sarah.

  7. Many thanks again Molly and Sarah. Yes we need to respond to the bogus moral equivalence so often being pushed here and point out the major differences between the two on this matter. Let me repeat one fundamental difference: if a Christian kills in the name of Christ, he does so in total opposition to the life and teachings of Christ, and the entire New Testament. However, if a Muslim kills in the name of Allah, he has full justification to do so from the life and teachings of Muhammad, and from the Koran. But much more can be said on this, so see these articles for much more detail on these matters:

    And see the second half of this article for some more specific discussion on the conquest of Canaan:

  8. Mr Muehlenberg, it was so sweet of you to provide the links for us. When Sar saw the date on the first link, she said: “Let’s see what Mr B was up to when I was 1”. I do hope she doesn’t find something to tease you with Mr Muehlenberg 🙂

    So true Mr Muehlenberg, those who commit crimes in the name of Jesus or Christianity would be violating both. The absence of attacks by Christianity on other religions or even the nonreligious, should identify us as the religion of peace, but in the upside-down world the most violent religion is the religion of peace, and the true religion of peace is the one that is vilified and persecuted. bullies always come after the meek.

    I’ve had the best Easter ever. Lots of Church which I love going to. I feel so safe and loved there. We have been evangelising in town too. I never thought I would have the confidence to proclaim my faith but it was fun, and we met some nice people and the ones that weren’t nice, we passed onto Sar. I didn’t feel a bit sorry for Sar, but I did for some those that were passed onto her! We even had a sleepover, my first one ever and my childhood is nearly over. I believe prayers are answered now. I thought Jesus had abandoned me, but he hadn’t I was just impatient.

    I have placed a link to a video concerning Sri Lanka Sir; it is from a platform those our age watch I hope that’s ok?


  9. Thanks again Miss Molly and Co. BTW, your earlier comment made me look through my site to see if I had penned a piece exclusively on the conquest of Canaan. Even though there are almost 5000 articles here, it seems I have not yet done such a piece. So I am working on that as we speak. Soon it will be posted, so thanks again for spurring me on. I told you guys that you would be the natural successors to running my site one day!

  10. Dear Andrew,

    Yes true and when I saw Mr Morrison on T.V. yesterday he was asked to name Islam as responsible for these murders and he declined to do so.

    Remember how ScoMo immediately named the Christchurch guy as “right wing” in his first T.V. appearance?

  11. My understanding was Sura 5:32 says not to take *innocent* life and, of course, to be defined as innocent in the Quran you have to be Muslim. Believing anything else is defined as “mischief”. Just as with the Islamic commandment against lying, their murder provision only applies to other Muslims. Everyone else is fair game for slavery, murder, lying to, exploitation, sexual abuse, whatever. Just look at what has happened in Northern Africa. Unfortunately Islam is designed specifically to cater to the worst in people while creating a counterfeit of Jewish belief.

    When we see nations such as Sri Lanka, where the Buddhists, who obviously believe that to kill things is bad “karma”, and the Muslims, are in constant conflict, and we think it’s a good idea to import these ideologies? The fact is the Buddhists think the solution is to contemplate your navel and the Muslims are taught that the solution is to force compliance using threat of death. The inevitable consequence is obviously going to be conflict.

    Secularists will point to the First World War and say “look how Christian nations caused the worst war of all time” but they are missing the point. Firstly WW1 had nothing to do with fighting for religion but more importantly it demonstrated how people are so ignorant they can be convinced to fight over almost nothing, especially when propaganda is involved and free speech is shut down as we now see on the ABC. This generation thinks they are smarter than that but it is only their ignorance they are demonstrating.

    Secularists think we can throw everyone into the mix and we are not going to have the same consequences as we see overseas. The fact is, if we do that, we will have exactly the same consequences as we see overseas. Supporting multiculturalism to the point of not requiring assimilation to fundamental Judaeo/Christian (Godly) morality is a complete and absolute recipe for disaster. So many people in Australia are so completely ignorant of what our forbears have given us, and even died for, that they think it’s a good idea to simply throw it away and everything will be alright.

  12. Great piece BM – thank you.
    I thought, years ago, with the influence of Islam in the west that education was the answer to its fall from ‘grace’.
    As your article and many others keep pointing out, no half reasoned minded person, in the end can keep entertaining the thought that it is just another benign religion.
    Those of us who have done the serious research into Islam know that its writings and the life of its founder are far from benign.
    Keep up the exposure BM – I’ll be printing your article out to potentially use it a large social gathering this Anzac day weekend

  13. I struggled to hear even one comment from the NZ media that identified the victims as Christians at all

  14. Hmm, I spent most of this rather pleasant day indoors writing a 2-part, 3700-word article on the conquest of Canaan – and it is all the fault of the young Misses above!! Just kidding. Thanks guys for encouraging me on in this direction. I had long intended to do something specifically on this topic, so your comments helped to spur me on to do just that. Thanks again.

    Was God immoral and unjust to command the ancient Israelites to take possession of Canaan?

    And Part Two of this article is here:

  15. I haven’t heard or seen a New Zealand response to the Sri Lankan bombings at all and I certainly haven’t heard or seen Muslims express any regret from any quarter and I could be classified as a news junky!

    One place I was patronising today the assistant asked me if I had had a good Easter. I said yes I had but some people hadn’t. She asked me what I meant and I said it hadn’t been a good one in Paris or Sri Lanka. She then asked me what had happened there and I told her and she said she hadn’t heard of either so either she goes around with her eyes and ears shut or the coverage wa grossly inadequate even for people like her which is not good enough in my opinion.

  16. Hey Molly & Sarah, great to hear you’re evangelising! On Saturday I gave Sarah an honourable mention when talking with a mature young lady in obviously Muslim dress outside the State Library in Melbourne Australia. I thought she was about 20: she was asking good questions about Christianity and listening intently to the answers, so I was amazed when she said she was 15 and attended a Muslim school. I told her she reminded me of you, Sarah, in the UK! She was with her dad, but she did most of the talking. When she asked about the Trinity, I explained and then gave her my Trinity booklet which they both looked at – then she took it out of her father’s hand and stowed it in her clothing and volunteered that she would study it closely and email me after school started again and she had more time. 15 Minutes and a second booklet stowed away later, the 3 of us exchanged names and handshakes and left.

    It is ‘horses for courses’: use the Qur’anic quotes Bill provided for the ignorant ‘Christians’ who think Islam is a religion of peace. But many Muslims are truly peaceful and may have no idea about unsavoury aspects of Muhammad’s life. So, while I often contrast the example and teaching of Jesus with that of Muhammad, it’s often a better approach to concentrate on assurance of salvation that you have in Jesus as the only way. You need to explain the Trinity as many Muslims think it is God, Mary The Queen of Heaven, and their son Jesus.

    Muslims more educated in darwah (evangelism) will quote chapter and verse in the Bible to prove Jesus was violent (he did actually say “bring them before me and kill them”, but you need to know that the context is parable). They will loudly and publicly challenge you to show where Jesus ever claimed to be God or God’s son (John is good here); they will say the Trinity is nowhere in The Bible (it isn’t explicitly) and that it wasn’t invented until the Council of whatever about 300+CE (AD); they will deny Paul and insist on only the Gospels, but then squirm when you point to Acts (written by Luke) re Paul’s dramatic conversion and full acceptance by the Christian Jews.

    They will say the Bible is corrupt. Ask them where and when: they will quote trivial bits that make zero difference to doctrine, then falsely but fervently claim that the Qur’an is perfect and has never changed.They change the topic when you talk about the dead-sea scrolls proving that what was in the OT, in Jesus day and in Muhammad’s day, is the same as what we have now. The Quran says the OT is God’s word which can’t be changed, and Muhammad said Jews should read their torat (Torah) because Muslims say it prophesies of Muhammad. But it doesn’t. So they say it has been corrupted, but they can’t say where or when – or how it is even possible for God’s word to be changed. Similar arguments apply re the NT, but the Qur’an says the injil (Gospels) were given by god. Then they claim they were corrupted! So when and where was God’s incorruptible word corrupted? No answer – apart from inconsequential things: then they often change the subject if you explain how fast the NT spread into other languages, yet all agree except for trivial differences.

    The important thing is to know Jesus and your Bible. I also recommend being familiar with “A Two-Hour Koran” by Bill Warner, editor; it’s 79 pages cuts through the tedious repetition of the Qur’an and collects all similar verses into one representative verse and arranges them into historical and subject order while giving the context of Muhammad’s life. It is by the Centre for the Study of Political Islam, see

  17. “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
    disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
    and strike off every fingertip of them.”
    Allah (Quran 8:12)

    “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
    kill those who disbelieve in Allah.”
    Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq 992)

    “Love your neighbor and pray for those who persecute you.”
    Jesus (Matthew 5:44)

  18. According to Aol:-

    ‘”The initial investigation has revealed that this was in retaliation for the New Zealand mosque attack,” junior minister for defense Ruwan Wijewardene told parliament.’

    So evil people first cause the New Zealand attack then evil people deceitfully blame Christianity for the New Zealand attack and then evil people blow up Christian churches in response to the falsely attributed New Zealand attack.

    The wicked action and the obvious false propaganda are clearly working hand in hand. Such is the zeitgeist we are facing. It is not just innocent bystanders who are being attacked but deliberately targeted ones.

    As I said at the time; the N.Z. attack was probably a false-flag attack but not at the physical level (Eph 6:12). We should know from scripture that evil is able to influence weak-minded people to do evil.

    This is little different to the evil of homosexuality influencing weak-minded, immoral people to cause the sex abuse problems in churches. It then blames Christianity for the evil it, itself caused in the weak-minded people, while ignoring everywhere else the evil has occurred, and then evil uses this to blame and consequently shut down Christianity but not the original evil which it actually promotes.

    Evil, astoundingly, uses the original evil to actually promote the evil that caused the problems in the churches in the first place while, simultaneously, Christianity has nearly every avenue of pleading its case shut down by anti-Christian propaganda so it can effectively be blamed for the evil while, concurrently, any chance of spreading truth is being shut down.

    The fact that Christianity, quite clearly, opposes the evil action in every case is almost completely obliterated in the flood of lies.

    This is why now, more than ever in the recent past, we cannot afford to let our moral guard down but, as the Sri Lankan attacks show, no matter what we do we can still expect attacks.

    May God preserve and protect us.

  19. Bill, I have just finished reading an email sent to me today which included and article written by Fr Mitch Pacwa, SJ (a good one) which tells the history of Muhammad and his followers. Fr Mitch is fluent in 12 languages including Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew and Koine Greek.
    Both your article and his tell the same story. I have printed his off and hopefully can print yours as well. Why? Because we need to educate ourselves on what the Koran etc teach.
    I could not believe that our PM actually spoke from a Buddist Temple instead of a Christian Church regarding the terrible carnage in Sri Lanka but then we had both Hillery and Obama refer to the celebration of our most Holy of Holy feast as Easter Worshippers.
    God bless you Bill.

  20. Re claims of retaliation and revenge : in a later report an Australian intelligence analyst suggests that the Sri Lanka events were more likely to have been planned and coordinated long before Christchurch.

  21. Slightly off topic but I had something of a chuckle regarding the bit about “what Stalin Polpot and moa said”.

    Moa: Large flightless bird akin to an emu or ostrich hunted into extinction by Maori roughly 600 years ago.

    Mao: Atheist and communist leader of China, responsible for more deaths than any other ruler in human history.

    It’s a very subtle difference but does ever so slightly change the meaning of the sentence. 🙂

  22. Hi Mr Muehlenberg, you are such a nice man and so sweet to us girls too. I wish you were one of our teachers. You have 5000 Articles and not one on the conquest of the Canaanites. I would have imagined you would have had cause to write on that subject very often. Kate will be thrilled you have produced those two articles as she was intending to use the content of articles from your website as material for a six-week course on so-called atrocities in the OT. She is going to teach the scripture and get Sarah or Sarah’s dad, to teach the apologetics relating to that scripture passage. I would use Sarah as she is good at communicating complicated things to those younger than her.

    You write very well Mr Muehlenberg and amazingly quickly. When our teacher says we have to write an essay or story for our homework we have three days to write a single page of text, the boys copy something from a book and still get a D-grade. Most of the girls write romantic stories. Sarah writes a book-length story and gets downgraded for exceeding the number of words we may use; obviously, meltdown occurs.

    Sarah and Kate are due back home late tonight we have missed them. Alice me and Milly have tidied, dusted and prepared a meal for her. Sar likes her home just so, we wanted her to feel she can just go to bed without worrying about tidying her home.

    Thank you again for your lovely post, it is so welcoming when its a rainy day outside and in our hearts too.


  23. Hi Mr Newland, I recognise your name I think you are related to Sarah in some way. We have you listed as a possible adviser on science matters. I’m thinking we have you listed incorrectly as you are a street evangelist/pastor.

    Sarah is away at the moment she and another friend of ours are on a Safe And Sound Course. It was supposed to be one day with another two on how to teach little ones. I do not know the details yet but disagreements between the training company, Sarah and Kate delayed the courses finishing time so she isn’t expected back until late.

    I really want Sarah, Katie, and Alice and Milly to read your post before asking questions, which I have a few. So if it is OK with you, I or Sarah will post here tomorrow.


  24. Hi Molly, the GGDaughter status is honorary, no direct relationship. My wife and I have 9 granddaughters but no direct GGDs yet. I recently described myself as “a retired Engineer with interest in Christian apologetics, science and electoral reform”: that was on a pamphlet that sought to spread the truth that Climate Change ideology is riddled with fraud, lies and misinformation. The apologetics includes street outreach where we hand out Christian pamphlets hoping to engage people in meaningful discussion leading to Jesus. Bill’s very good on the theology and philosophy of apologetics. I’m more at the science side of things because it was critical in my conversion and because many agnostics and atheists claim that science has proved the Bible wrong and they say that this is why they have left or ignore Christianity. The media forever push that the Bible is wrong – a recent government sponsored TV station had a reality TV show, “Christians Like Us”, where two ‘Christian’ sang “It (what the Bible says) ain’t necessarily so”. But real science, which only developed and flourished under Christianity, supports the Bible as the true history of the origin of life and man – it took me a long time to learn that truth. That’s covered in, while /ElectoralReformOz covers politics. Please pray for Australia’s election on May 18. If Labor-Green wins government, which the media wants, Australia will be in big trouble.

  25. Molly, any relation to the famous anthropologist Charles P Mountford whom I met as a boy in his home in Adelaide South Australia.

  26. Mr Mason out of all the comments on here, Sarah homed in on yours. Run and hide quickly she is coming after you hahahha.

    That was so funny Mr Mason. Molly was checking the comments on here last night and She did not pick up on your comment as she was looking for our names. Sarah logs in and I kid you not within 5 seconds she picked up what you had said. We were having breakfast with her at the time and we all burst out laughing not only because of what you had said but the speed Sarah homed into what you had said. She hasn’t been home 1/2 a day and our little group burst into joy. I am looking forward to reading her post to you. Thank you for the joy we had and the joy to come.
    Love from,
    Milly, Molly and Alice.

  27. Mr Mason, are you mocking me LOL?

    Bother, I have asked Alice to print 25 sheets now I am going to have to blame her for the error and make sure she doesn’t read this thread. Hold on, Molly’s name is on the offending post; it’s her fault.

    Mr Mason, you have no idea how much work I have to put in to make sure I am always right.

    keep in mind sir, If you pointed out an error to us we wouldn’t be anything other than thankful.

  28. >Mr Newland,
    Hi ggd, I hope you are keeping well. thank you for being so kind to Molly (you too Mr M) I know it isn’t hard but just the same you could have ignored her and girls 14 need encouraging until are grown up 15s.

    Right, where do I start? Easy bit first perhaps. Give me what you would do in this situation. I’m afraid you’re going to have to transition from male to female for a moment, you just announce “I’m Patricia” and your good to go, don’t forget to transit back, great grandma. You are a Sunday school teacher and you love all the little ones in your class, they get Birthday cards, Christmas presents, telling offs, praise and a continues stream of biblical truths. If they fall and need a hug, a hug is provided. If they need a hug for any reason a hug is provided. You are sent away on an expensive course to improve your skills. Part of the course is on child safety, mostly the usual stuff, make sure sharp objects are kept away from the children, including pencils, and make sure you sit between the door and the children, just the normal stuff. Then you are told you can’t touch a child, you understand you do not touch children. Then you are told if a child falls, you do not pick it up. This concerns you, so you asked the obvious question, you could catch a child who was falling, right? You are told, NO. You can hug a child if it needs a hug, right? No is the answer. You are thinking at this moment I may have to take up dopy Ryan’s offer to be my sperm donor as if I can’t show love and compassion to those in my care I will have to get one of my own. Would you-

    1. Relinquish the role.
    2. Stay in the role and abide by the training.
    3. Stay in the role and ignore the training.
    4. Find another church.
    5. Go to a church that offers you the role you now have, but do not make you a cold uncaring person to the children, however, that church has other problems, in that, they do not have a musician and you are a musician, but you do not want to become anyone’s regular musician, since it will eventually separate you from the children’s work. You are happy to take your turn, play at any time for anyone, but not be Patricia the Pianist.
    6. Relinquish the role, stay in the church, offer to run Sunday school for 5 above in the afternoon instead of the morning.
    7. Take up dopy Ryans offer.

    So, what would Patricia do? There is no right or wrong answer just Patricia’s, Mr M’s or for that matter anyones.

  29. >Mr Newland,
    Ggd Miss Molly was completely confused Lol. she thought you were offering us a way of how we could engage with Muslims on the street or in our town centre. When what you were telling her was your experience, and what we should do and should not. I think your concern was we were going to go headlong into battle with Muslims with our prompt sheet. If you did think that then thank you for warning us not to do so. You do not have to be concerned we will be triggered when communicating with us, don’t do that Sarah or else normally works with me lol.

    We are not allowed to communicate with Muslims and to that end, we have to have adults around while we are out evangelising. We have had a great deal of abuse in our location towards those are age and younger, it’s not a minor problem as it runs into 10’000 of girls, you know it’s a problem when you know girls who have been victims.

    Molly thought you had overcome the problem in that if we followed what you said we would be safe and able to do evangelism with Muslims. I think what confused her was the fact we were producing a prompt sheet and you were giving Muslims you met documents which somehow made them safe. I do not know how she got there, but given she would think no one in the world approaches a Muslim and you had, she probably thought you had some ‘magic’ that you could give us. The biggest issue is our parents as they are hyper-careful and if they had the slightest inclination we were going to get involved with child abusers they wouldn’t let us do evangelism. They are very courageous to let us do so as it would be easy for any of them to say no and all the other parents would do likewise.

    We do evangelism at school but the problem reverses, Muslim girls parents see me as a danger, as I will convert their daughter to Christianity which some of them would happily do since Christianity gives them freedoms we Christian girls take for granted. The Muslim boys are very protective of the Christian invasion of their girls. I think perhaps they see the girls as their future wives. We would use the prompt sheet to counter Muslim claims in school since what would happen is a claim would be made and any conversation would be stopped. At one time, apparently they were free to comment and no one said anything, then I turned up, and world war 3 broke out lol, and I don’t do shut up. so what we can now do is if someone says something even if its positive towards Christianity we take out prompt sheets and hand them around. The teacher may even confiscate them, but that’s good to as I will just tell my peers why would miss not want you to know this stuff but you have to know maths or history. We have to be a lot smarter than we have been in the past.

    It sounds from your post you did very well with that Muslim girl. I was pleased you mistook her as older than she was. You see now why it’s so important I am allowed to wear makeup so I look older too.

    I was surprised she took the literature off the man I don’t think that would happen in my location. The girl would be quiet and the man would do all the talking. So it sounds like you have a Muslim that is assimilating into the culture which is great.

    I have videos from the- acts17 guy on cheap USB memory sticks I keep them in my handbag since they are very small and give them to those who need educating. Most people would just need our prompt sheet though.

    Alice is very disappointed as she had questions for you that had nothing whatsoever to do with evangelism, but given she thinks to go to church is evangelism then some of her questions made sense. The question that I think you will find easy to answer I will give you and I will use her words- Mister are you still a Christian if you do naughty things like slapping someone if they are horrible to your friend coz that shouldn’t count? We, as you would expect show her no mercy and tease her to distraction.

  30. Hello all,
    A little OT, but a couple of articles from Tuesday’s Herald-Sun (so those of you who are fellow Melburnians may already have read these) that shows how Victoria/Australia are ‘going down the gurgler’:
    * A Melbourne magistrate wants Bibles (and Korans) to be removed from courtrooms in Victoria. See:
    * An op-ed piece in the same paper, by a media lawyer at Macpherson Kelley lawyers, which acts for the Herald-Sun, says Israel Folau should be permitted to express the view he did on social media, but should also be sacked for doing so. He then says that this is not inconsistent. This lawyer also describes Foalu’s views (which IIRC was quoting from the Bible) as “the extreme end of Christianity” and calls them “antiquated opinions”.
    Mind you, it shows how undemocratic the West is when an employment contract restricts what you can say in your personal life ….

    All the more interesting because I have started reading Augusto Zimmermann’s 3-volume set on Christianity and Common Law.


  31. To any one interested, there is a political reason called NWO disamament going on in NZ . Need I say more ?

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